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To be clear, hfot2, I am no apologist for India, or any other country (my own included) that fails to treat women humanely, humanly and with dignity. My 'stat' was in response to, again, the originator of this thread, who wrote claimed that India was "The Rape Capital of the World" when very clearly it (statistically) not (tit for tat ,stat for tat?) In fact, as this stat shows, her own country has a far worse record.

And capt_mahajan . . . the use of stats, while they may not "counter" the hysteria, it may lend some perspective to it.
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frankly, I think this should end all discussion on the topic but of course it won't.

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Yes, Darmabum. That is what I was trying to say. (Also that, the moment stats are quoted, people are branded as apologists)
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Originally Posted by Darmabum View Post To be clear, hfot2, I am no apologist for India...
My dictionary tells me this:
apologist |əˈpäləjist|
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a person who offers an argument in defense of something...
This is the meaning I intended, nothing more.

Seems to me by this definition that, in defending India honour, you become an apologist for India. This in no way is a bad thing in and of itself. My worry is that defending the honour of the country risks minimizing a bad situation by relativism – "It's worse over there." Worse is irrelevant: bad is bad.
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Originally Posted by capt_mahajan View Post ...branded...
Heavy talk. Please see above.
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You have to have an honor before you can defend it.
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My dog says what is an honor and is it tasty like earthworms.?
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Originally Posted by hfot2 View Post Heavy talk. Please see above.
Twas just a figure of speech; was not intended to be accusatory or heavy

But we digress from your other more important points.
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Originally Posted by hfot2 View Post Travel with a woman and listen to how often she is prodded, poked or groped – even when she is old enough to be a grandmother – and you might reassess your notion of what constitutes "hysteria."
What happens on these threads is that people who actually live(d) in India, who interact and live with women day in and day out, or are Indian women themselves, can clearly see the difference between hysteria--"RAPE CAPITAL of the world!!"--that is unlikely to be helpful to anybody and nuanced, well-considered advice.

Yet another thread demonstrating the BJP was right about its concerns that India's Daughter would have the effect of damaging tourism.
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To the OP, Minnie, do you have anything at all positive to report about your recent visit to India ?

So far you have only had complaints.

It would be really great to hear if ANYTHING during your holiday was pleasant.
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Originally Posted by BholeBaba View Post Yet another thread demonstrating the BJP was right about its concerns that India's Daughter would have the effect of damaging tourism.
How do you make that out? You make the first mention of 'India's Daughter' in this thread.
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Originally Posted by Dave W View Post How do you make that out? You make the first mention of 'India's Daughter' in this thread.
IMHO, it's much more than tangentially related.

It's reactions of visitors like this one- India is the RAPE CAPITAL!- which in themselves are partly the result of impressions shaped by repetitious and one sided media reports that cause many Indians to become not just defensive but also to contend that documentaries that portray an overly negative picture of the country will have an adverse impact on tourism. When the MP Meenakshi Lekhi--also a female-- had made that argument in Parliament I had thought it patently absurd. But thread such as this ironically lend weight to that standpoint, it seems.

(Just last night I had dinner with a female filmmaker friend. She said of the BBC documentary- I paraphrase- "I know all too well how filmmakers distort and manipulate their subject and the interviews they show in order to advance the message they want to show". And she's not the first educated Indian female I've met who's been openly critical of the film and the message it supposedly peddles to an uninformed, non-Indian audience...)
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The 'Rape capital' stories have been going on for years. They certainly predate the Delhi rape and the documentary. Look at the dates on this thread http://www.indiamike.com/india/delhi...orting-t56763/

They resurface quite regularly on this forum and for all I know in other places as well. I agree that they are unjustified but blaming everything on a documentary that appeared on a minority channel (BBC4) is just ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Dave W View Post They resurface quite regularly on this forum and for all I know in other places as well. I agree that they are unjustified but blaming everything on a documentary that appeared on a minority channel (BBC4) is just ridiculous.
I wasn't blaming anything or everything on a documentary or on the BBC, Dave. That comes up now as it's current news, that's all.

My friend authored this paper that was published in the EPW on Crimes Against Women and Children in Delhi after a good amount of painstaking research.

Here is the link for those interested:

http://www.epw.in/special-articles/c...ren-delhi.html

What's most interesting about the study is that the incidence vis a vis perception of crime is most relevant and it is indeed true that perception of crime limits mobility of women and causes them to lose lots of opportunities! Delhi is not at all as unsafe as it is made out to be, but facts and perception are two different things.
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