Instructions Delhi- Darma, Niti Valleys
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Instructions Delhi- Darma, Niti Valleys

HI,
Can somone give me instructions how to get from Delhi to Darma and Niti VAlleys by Motorcyle?

Thanks

Ronen S
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Originally posted by: Ronen View Post

HI,
Can somone give me instructions how to get from Delhi to Darma and Niti VAlleys by Motorcyle?

Thanks

Ronen S

It is poss to walk from Darma to Niti valleys, but I hope u are aware that the motor roads are far apart.
Niti
The motor road ends at Malari (there might be a few additional km of dirt-track). U have to go to Joshimath, from where the Malari road branches off. For Joshimath, it's NH 58 all the way from Mohan Nagar (Ghaziabad), just outside Delhi, to Meerut-Roorkee-Haridwar-Devprayag-Karnprayag-Chamoli-Joshimath.
Darma
The motor road ends at Sobla (EDIT: maybe it's extended now till Tijam). As a foreigner u may need a permit to enter Darma Valley, so better to check at Dharchula. See this thread for more info about Darma:
http://www.indiamike.com/india/uttar...valley-t40921/
Also KMVN's site here. The map will also show u the routes u can take from Delhi to Dharchula. There is a direct road from Almora to Pithoragarh as well, which is the best and fastest option.
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Thank you very much

Ronen
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Update for Niti valley

The motor road extends from Malari upto Niti village (23 km). The last 13 km are unmetalled at present but will be completed next year. From Gamshali to Niti (6 km), the road is only jeepable/bikeable at present.
An Inner Line Permit is required at any time of year to go beyond the ITBP Check-post at Gamshali. This can be obtained from the District Magistrate at Gopeshwar or the Sub-Divisional Magistrate at Joshimath.
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..don't know about Ronen, whether or whether not he biked to Niti, but I am leaving on my motorbike tomorrow morning and this time wanting to visit someplace new - Niti valley is that..

..any more information you could share on that area.. would be helpful..

also, you say that a permit is needed to go beyond ITBP Post Gamshali.. is it so for Indian nationals too? ..and I'm unable to place Gamshali on the Nest and Wings Uttarakhand map that I have with me.. any indications on that...

also accommodation in that area - what's available? any KMVN option avbl?

thanks so much.. hope I make it to as far as the road is open :)
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Hey man, I'm envious!
Yes, everyone needs an ILP (I had posted more details in this thread).

Reason you can't find that area on N&W is that it shows nothing north of Malari. Never mind, just follow the road leading out of Joshimath. Once you cross Malari, after a few kms there'll be a road leading off to the left, signboard there so you won't miss it.

No real accom, specially now in the off-season when those villages are still vacant. Malari has a PWD GH, normally to be booked in-season from Joshimath. IF there's a chaukidar there, he MAY allow you to stay. But food will be a problem.
Btw, that's if you get to the area in the first place - the reason those villages are vacant in winter? Snow all over, road closes. :)
Maybe not so much now becos of lack of snowfall in winter, but worst case the road might be closed at Jumma already (19 km before Malari).
I strongly suggest you go to Malari/Niti during the day only and return to Joshimath before dark. Alternately there's a dhaba with 2 rooms at Tapovan, you cud try there. Good cheap hotels are at Joshimath.
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Originally posted by: Dilliwala View Post

Hey man, I'm envious!
Yes, everyone needs an ILP (I had posted more details in this thread).

Reason you can't find that area on N&W is that it shows nothing north of Malari. Never mind, just follow the road leading out of Joshimath. Once you cross Malari, after a few kms there'll be a road leading off to the left, signboard there so you won't miss it.

No real accom, specially now in the off-season when those villages are still vacant. Malari has a PWD GH, normally to be booked in-season from Joshimath. IF there's a chaukidar there, he MAY allow you to stay. But food will be a problem.
Btw, that's if you get to the area in the first place - the reason those villages are vacant in winter? Snow all over, road closes. :)
Maybe not so much now becos of lack of snowfall in winter, but worst case the road might be closed at Jumma already (19 km before Malari).
I strongly suggest you go to Malari/Niti during the day only and return to Joshimath before dark. Alternately there's a dhaba with 2 rooms at Tapovan, you cud try there. Good cheap hotels are at Joshimath.


Hello Dilliwala sir, thanks for giving info.. I did go through that other more detailed thread on Niti since I had to leave the very next morning. I left with bike at 6am as planned but wasn't sure where I was headed for...just was looking for a faster / convenient escape from Delhi... was aware that the Mukarba chowk flyover had been operational since the past week or so.. so took NH1 out of Delhi towards Ambala then NH22 to Solan, from where I took a right turn for Rajgarh and Nohradhar.

I had been to Nohradhar once before also (for Churdhar) 2 yrs back and knew of a comfortable neat economy accommodation there which is what made me make it my first nights halt in the hills.. At Nohradhar, in the evening, after I'd had my bath I had a good look at the maps I had with me and thought of what places could now be biked from where I was that night :) ..Har Ki Dun came to mind and here's the remaining days itinerary.. I enjoyed biking those roads... roads between Haripurdhar and Tiuni being kuchha but good fun ...

Day 2 - Nohradhar - Haripurdhar - Tiuni - Hanol

Day 3 - Hanol - Mori - Netwar - Sankri - Taluka

Day 4 - Taluka - Seema

Day 5 - Seema - Har ki dun

Day 6 - Har ki dun - Seema - Taluka

Day 7 - Taluka - Sankri - Netwar - Mori - Purola - Naugaon - Damta - Herbertpur - Paonta Sahib

Day 8 - Paonta Sahib - Tajewala - Yamuna Nagar - Ladwa - Pipli - Panipat - Delhi

Came back yesterday.. n here's a pic of my bike.. she looked so good on this trip I couldnt help clicking her lots :) ..she sure must have felt the admiration i had for her in my eyes..i'm sure she must have loved spending her time with me in the hills of UK and HP .. here's to us :Beer

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Originally posted by: Papaji View Post

...roads between Haripurdhar and Tiuni being kuchha but good fun ...

Wait a minute - you must have come via Minas and Atal. But that was a pakka road right upto Tiuni, altho narrow and not great condition. You mean it's actually all kachccha now? Or just between Haripurdhar and Minas?



Day 2 - Nohradhar - Haripurdhar - Tiuni - Hanol

Day 3 - Hanol - Mori - Netwar - Sankri - Taluka

Day 4 - Taluka - Seema

Day 5 - Seema - Har ki dun

Day 6 - Har ki dun - Seema - Taluka

I presume you walked Taluka-HKD. :)
Is Sankri-Taluka open? Did you have trouble getting your bike thru the streams?


Day 8 - Paonta Sahib - Tajewala - Yamuna Nagar - Ladwa - Pipli - Panipat - Delhi

Where did you stay at Paonta?
From Ladwa you cud have gone direct to Karnal, right? Why Pipli then?
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Originally posted by: Dilliwala View Post

Wait a minute - you must have come via Minas and Atal. But that was a pakka road right upto Tiuni, altho narrow and not great condition. You mean it's actually all kachccha now? Or just between Haripurdhar and Minas?


..driving from Nohradhar, Haripurdhar is around 35 kms of which the last 5 or 10 kms are kuchha..

..the Haripur temple is around 2 kms on a steep road up from Haripurdhar and that road was pucca..

..so I drove from Nohradhar to Haripurdhar and then to the temple and then back again to Haripurdhar and then continued onwards on the road that was going down towards Minas (not sure which villages were on my way to Tiuni, guess Minas was there and Atal too, but not sure) ..okay..the road from Haripurdhar which I took towards Tiuni was kuccha for around 30-32 kms after which it joined some other road and henceforth was pucca.. yes the route along the Tons river was all pucca .. only the descent from Haripurdhar (2500mts +) to Minas (950 mts) was mostly kuchha..


Originally posted by: Dilliwala View Post

I presume you walked Taluka-HKD. :)
Is Sankri-Taluka open? Did you have trouble getting your bike thru the streams?


Yes, I walked.. took me two days going up from Taluka and 1 day down to Taluka.

Yes, Sankri Taluka is now open again after a long closure but the nights I was there in the area it rained quite a lot for the season, and locals were fearing that I might get stuck with my bike in Taluka for there is one patch which is very landslide prone and the road they say is considered a forest road so in case it gets blocked not much is done to get it running soon..

Found it pretty hard to get my bike thru certain sections between Sankri Taluka..which was also because my luggage kept coming loose after every few mins. The road was much more hard to drive on than the Haripurdhar Minas sections.. it had small rocks projecting out and the stream sections were a nightmare, not so much because of the water but because of the loose earth that I had trouble getting grip on...



Originally posted by: Dilliwala View Post

Where did you stay at Paonta?
From Ladwa you cud have gone direct to Karnal, right? Why Pipli then?


I took a room at the HPPWD Rest House @Rs.361 ..most of the stays I took dorm beds @100 - 150 but the last day I took a room and it was good.. :)

I didn't know that..that's why I went to Pipli..I kept going along the road that was going to Kurukshetra and the condition of it was bad at places...


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..wanted to ask..

is dhar of Himachal the same thing as khal of Garhwal.. and what exactly is it / are they? a pass, or a hills edge.. please tell!
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Originally posted by: Papaji View Post

(not sure which villages were on my way to Tiuni, guess Minas was there and Atal too, but not sure)

Minas - where you first saw the Tons. If you'd looked down to your right, you MAY have seen a bridge across the river connecting with Uttarakhand.
Atal - You got to a point where the straight road ended, you cud see the road continuing across the gap not 200 metres ahead (sangam of ide-stream and Tons below you), BUT you had to do a left turn and drive 3 km, cross a bridge (left was the road to Nerwa/Chaupal, 100 m to right was the UA border), switch back and drive another 3 km till you cud turn left again and rejoin the Tons going upstream. That village at the sangam, THAT'S Atal.

..okay..the road from Haripurdhar which I took towards Tiuni was kuccha for around 30-32 kms after which it joined some other road and henceforth was pucca.. yes the route along the Tons river was all pucca .. only the descent from Haripurdhar (2500mts +) to Minas (950 mts) was mostly kuchha..

Thanks for that info, kabhi kaam ayega. :)


Yes, Sankri Taluka is now open again after a long closure but the nights I was there in the area it rained quite a lot for the season, and locals were fearing that I might get stuck with my bike in Taluka for there is one patch which is very landslide prone and the road they say is considered a forest road so in case it gets blocked not much is done to get it running soon..

That's correct, after Sankri it's all forest road. Last time the road was broken it took them 1.5 years to fix!

Found it pretty hard to get my bike thru certain sections between Sankri Taluka..which was also because my luggage kept coming loose after every few mins. The road was much more hard to drive on than the Haripurdhar Minas sections.. it had small rocks projecting out and the stream sections were a nightmare, not so much because of the water but because of the loose earth that I had trouble getting grip on...

Sounds like you had a real adventure.
Yes, I experienced those streams too, altho it was less difficult with 4 wheels. The road wasn't as bad as you describe either. Really narrow in some spots though, edge to edge driving!


I didn't know that..that's why I went to Pipli..I kept going along the road that was going to Kurukshetra and the condition of it was bad at places...

Aaah - for next time :)
http://www.indiamike.com/india/off-t.../2/#post601373
http://www.indiamike.com/india/himac...44/#post652715


..wanted to ask..

is dhar of Himachal the same thing as khal of Garhwal.. and what exactly is it / are they? a pass, or a hills edge.. please tell!

Excellent Q - it's a major hazard to guess what means what in which state :).
Dhar often denotes a ridge-line (like the 'dhar' of a knife/blade, so Dhauladhar, Lambi Dhar). BUT in Garhwal (mostly Tehri) and maybe HP too (haven't been to Haripurdhar or Nohradhar) it can also mean a saddle (connecting two ridges at a lower height).
BUT such saddles are often called khal as well in Garhwal! And a real pass is also called khal, as you know. But I've never come across a real pass being called dhar.
Of course in Kumaon a saddle is called 'chhina' and a pass is 'dhura'.

Clear as mud? :)
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Originally posted by: Dilliwala View Post

Minas - where you first saw the Tons. If you'd looked down to your right, you MAY have seen a bridge across the river connecting with Uttarakhand.
Atal - You got to a point where the straight road ended, you cud see the road continuing across the gap not 200 metres ahead (sangam of ide-stream and Tons below you), BUT you had to do a left turn and drive 3 km, cross a bridge (left was the road to Nerwa/Chaupal, 100 m to right was the UA border), switch back and drive another 3 km till you cud turn left again and rejoin the Tons going upstream. That village at the sangam, THAT'S Atal.


Minas, going by your description, must have been the village which came into view by the river, and yes, a bridge too from what I faintly recall of it.. I took a turn for the direction opposite just a few hundred metres before Minas village and was there-onwards driving upstream along the river.

Originally posted by: Dilliwala View Post

Thanks for that info, kabhi kaam ayega. :)


I tried to tell all of what I could recall. :)

Originally posted by: Dilliwala View Post

Sounds like you had a real adventure.
Yes, I experienced those streams too, altho it was less difficult with 4 wheels. The road wasn't as bad as you describe either. Really narrow in some spots though, edge to edge driving!


I used the word nightmare for those stream stretches.. they were not That bad actually.. but the heaping of landslide debris was making the rear wheel lose grip on inclines when trying to release throttle.. ..and I am always anxious on stretches of hill roads which have rocks projecting out..I mean the ones which arent properly leveled..for I risk getting a flat tyre n a flat tyre on a motorbike with no spare wheel is - I guess very stifling.. touch wood no punctures ever experienced while touring yet :)

Originally posted by: Dilliwala View Post

Excellent Q - it's a major hazard to guess what means what in which state :).
Dhar often denotes a ridge-line (like the 'dhar' of a knife/blade, so Dhauladhar, Lambi Dhar). BUT in Garhwal (mostly Tehri) and maybe HP too (haven't been to Haripurdhar or Nohradhar) it can also mean a saddle (connecting two ridges at a lower height).
BUT such saddles are often called khal as well in Garhwal! And a real pass is also called khal, as you know. But I've never come across a real pass being called dhar.
Of course in Kumaon a saddle is called 'chhina' and a pass is 'dhura'.

Clear as mud? :)


..good to hear that there are places in Himachal where I've been to and you havent.. In Uttarakhand I know there are certain roads which you might not have have driven.. like the kuchha road to Rasiya Mahadev in Gujudu patti in Pauri Garhwal.. :)

Thanks for the info on dhars and khals and chinnas ..sweet memories those words bring to mind..
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Originally posted by: Papaji View Post


..good to hear that there are places in Himachal where I've been to and you havent.. In Uttarakhand I know there are certain roads which you might not have have driven.. like the kuchha road to Rasiya Mahadev in Gujudu patti in Pauri Garhwal.. :)

Hey, there are MANY places I haven't been! :)
(Too many [cry])
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I MISS uTTRANCHAL guys

hey any IDEA abt PANJI in himachal pradesh i heard its a new discovered location and its totally UNEXPLORED

anyone got any idea i wana go there for this newyear .... anyone willing
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Is it possible to visit Niti in May 2015

Originally posted by: Dilliwala View Post

The motor road extends from Malari upto Niti village (23 km). The last 13 km are unmetalled at present but will be completed next year. From Gamshali to Niti (6 km), the road is only jeepable/bikeable at present.
An Inner Line Permit is required at any time of year to go beyond the ITBP Check-post at Gamshali. This can be obtained from the District Magistrate at Gopeshwar or the Sub-Divisional Magistrate at Joshimath.

Is it possible to visit NIti Valley in May this year? Is there any place to stay at night in Niti?
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It certainly should be possible, with a permit. I don't know about staying, you'd have to ask the villagers if any of them can put you up. They only move back from lower altitudes in early May.

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