Couple thinking of moving to Bangalore

#1 Mar 1st, 2012, 17:01
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Hi,

We are thinking of moving to to Bangalore and I have a question relating to my girlfriend finding work. She is a qualified architect with 3 years working experience. On the web there are job postings for architects but I was wondering if anyone who works in that industry could give their opinion on whether jobs are actually available in that industry (as the web can be misleading)?

Thanks for any info

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Originally Posted by MarcusLP View Post She is a qualified architect with 3 years working experience. I was wondering if anyone who works in that industry could give their opinion on whether jobs are actually available in that industry?
Which industry?
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First of all I have heard that good job prospect for architects is rare. Secondly to work in India you need a different type of visa. You can't work if you come with a tourist visa. There are many local architects in India looking for jobs and unless you have special skill that is unavailable locally it will be very difficult for the employing company to arrange work permit.
This is my personal opinion and I am not employed in the same industry.
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The first question before what kind of job you want is whether she has a PIO or OCI card. If she doesnt it will be very hard for her to get an employment visa to be employed as an architect.
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Thanks for the replies.

To clarify, she is a building architect with design skills in multiple in 2d and 3d software packages.

Regarding the visa, if she has not found work and therefore not able to arrange a working visa prior to coming to India can she not apply for this from within India? As far as I can see on the web as long as she is not working without a work visa there should be no problem in searching for a job on a tourist visa and then arranging a work visa upon finding work, is that feasible?

Hi N Kumar. So do think its possible for a good architect / designer to find some sort of work in Bangalore? We are not expecting it to be easy, just wondering if it is possible to find architectural work.

Thanks all
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hi,
I am in this field and getting a job might not be a problem but what is the salary they are offering
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Originally Posted by prince09 View Post Which industry?
Erm, you'd think in architecture, no?

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Originally Posted by MarcusLP View Post Regarding the visa, if she has not found work and therefore not able to arrange a working visa prior to coming to India can she not apply for this from within India? As far as I can see on the web as long as she is not working without a work visa there should be no problem in searching for a job on a tourist visa and then arranging a work visa upon finding work, is that feasible?
No; technically, you're not even supposed to be looking for work on a tourist visa, but of course there'll be nothing to stop you from making some casual enquiries.

Either way, should she find a job offer, the employment visa would now have to be applied for in one's home country. It can't be done in India.

In practice, I'm not aware of too many finding jobs on the ground, it would seem the vast majority of expats get something set up from home, and probably a majority of those just simply outsourced or delegated by their own companies. (Realize for foreigners employed there there's currently a requirement of making a minimum of US$ 25,000 a year, btw. There is indeed also the requirement that it must be reasonably proven that the position can't be filled by a resident Indian.)

Furthermore, if you guys are not in a heterosexual marriage, the partner will gain no rights to stay whatsoever from the other's employment. They would have to rely on tourist visas to visit, with their limitations.

If you were married, I don't think the one's employment would bestow any right to work on the other. (So let's say assuming you're looking at employment there, as well.) As far as I know or understand, the -- married -- partner and any children would rather get an X visa (also known as Entry visa), allowing them to stay and dependent on the other's employment, but not to work. I'm not so into the details, but I guess the only way around this would be for both of you to find employment there, and so apply for your own employment visas, at home, and separately. (Come to think of it, not even sure how and if that would technically work. Maybe some others here will know. Would it be allowed and accepted at all?)

Some sites to carefully study for you would be:

http://www.immigrationindia.nic.in/,
http://www.mha.nic.in/, notably currently its http://mha.nic.in/ForeigDiv/ForeigHome.html,
and for those of Indian backgrounds over the past few generations, http://moia.gov.in/.
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Ok, thank you again for the replies.

N Kumar, My girlfriend doesn't have a job lined up at the moment, we're just inquiring about the prospects of finding work, should she not have an offer before we get there. If you meant what range of salary is she looking for then in the 6 Lakh range, with a hope to scale the pay according to her performance and standard rates after some period. If you have suggestions about pay rate for an architect with 3 years experience please let us know we don't really know.

Macadina, cheers for the info that's very helpful. We've both traveled a lot and have worked in various places including setting up businesses in foreign countries. Getting a residency or work permit has never been straight forward or an easy process but we don't want to give up on the basis it might be difficult, we know it will be. If going back to country of origin to get a work permit is needed that's ok. Does the minimum expat salary still exist I see on the was abolished?

Come on guys, has anyone got some more positive support!

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Originally Posted by MarcusLP View Post Does the minimum expat salary still exist I see on the was abolished?
You see on the where that it was abolished? (You must have forgotten a word there. On the web?) No, not that I'm aware of. I know no better than that requirement is very much alive and well, and those official sites I pointed you to seem to bear it out.

Sorry, I can give you no more than the reality as I know of it, and as I already outlined above as best I could. I'm not an expat there or anything, not even a prospective one. I've just been following discussions on it over the course of this board and some other means for some time, and then have some views on the country as an occasional traveler there.

India is just not an immigration-friendly country (well, not many I know of would be. I dont know about Serbia, but EU citizens sometimes seem to get confused about this, forgetting they have special rights to move around and work within the EU. I guess some other citizens of other trade or similar diplomatic zones may likewise get confused about their ease of movement, always within such zones, of course), so save for some quite specific engagements there with their quite specific stipulations, people can't just up and leave to there. Sorry, but that is the bottom line. Better you hear it sooner than later, right.

So, yes, if she could find herself needed there as an architect, this would open up possibilities, at least to her. Then all the rest that's been said would apply. Again, if you're not engaged in a heterosexual marriage, it would give you no rights whatsoever. It wouldn't in much of the world, I suppose.

And sorry, I don't mean to be overly sharp about this (though questions in the field aren't exactly unique, of course...), but again more than the facts as I understand them to be I can't give you. So now you have two answers above saying that foreign architects wouldn't be much needed there, and another that says they may. I don't know, I can't answer that specific question.
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You are prob right, don't mean to doubt you. I saw on the page below dated from 2010 so could be wrong. In any case I guess that salary amount can include housing and other benefits?

http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...led-foreigners
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Sorry, I just read the rest of your post I couldn't see it before. Em, Serbia are not part of EU and have no rights to work anywhere in the EU.

Why do you say India is not an emigration friendly country, have you personal experience of trying to get a residency permit in other countries to compare with India?
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Originally Posted by MarcusLP View Post Why do you say India is not an emigration friendly country, have you personal experience of trying to get a residency permit in other countries to compare with India?
I said that "India is just not an immigration-friendly country," and then immediately added that "Well, not many I know of would be."

I partly grew up abroad yes, under the provisions provided to my family. This included me technically being an illegal alien at some point and for some years btw, anyway, it hardly matters here. (Then I have had plenty to do with immigrants legal or illegal to my and other countries, but ditto.)

Anyway, don't confuse your experiences elsewhere with the Indian requirements: I have again tried to outline them to you above, as best as I can, and in brief. Have you given those official sites on it above a look yet? You should, and I'd be surprised if you had by now, as they would take quite some careful studying.

Be careful also of endless confusion in many a discussion on it regarding any "residency permits" in India: It essentially won't apply to you, and where and to the extent that it does, will confer no rights of residency on you. It is a rare case of a foreigner who ever gains the latter, and it takes a long long time. (Say after 25 years of marriage or so. Just a ballpark figure, mind, I don't actually know.)

So essentially, forget about the entire notion of "residency" in an Indian context. My understanding is it may sometimes come into play, in that you may (or in fact usually will, if your stay exceeds an X period, of 180 days I think) indeed be required to "register," and get some documentation to that effect. But so now plenty a foreigner seems to think this means they've acquired some sort of "residency." No, you haven't. You've only registered your extended stay there. (And it might confer some rights on you in terms of having a bank account, a vehicle's registration, housing rights and the according amenities such as gas and water deliveries, that sort of thing. But no residency rights, as such.)

Be wary also, of course, of people who may give you more optimistic-sounding information on it than what may be called for. As most anywhere in the world, especially native residents may not be your best source of information, since they simply never have to deal with immigration issues themselves. You may well run into this if you do go looking for information on the ground. "Oh, it will be no problem!" Etc. Couple this with saying simply "No" or "I don't know" being somehow culturally considered rude in India, and people generally being ever-so eager to help a stranger and foreign guest to their country. That is in fact (usually) sincere, but so it can be very hard to decipher any answers you get.

Anyways, I wasn't trying to get into a discussion on the "why's" of it, but rather trying to give you the "what's," as far as I think I know any of them. More positive-sounding than it realistically is of course none of us can make it, and you shouldn't be thanking us if we tried. But, hey, who knows and some others may be in with more positive angles yet. NKumar above seemed to be thinking along in how to land a job in architecture, so give them some time, I'm sure they'll be back on it.

Question now remains, if she is your girlfriend and she finds a job, what would you do. It would again give you absolutely nothing to go on. And I would again be surprised if it would pretty much anywhere else in the world.
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Originally Posted by MarcusLP View Post You are prob right, don't mean to doubt you. I saw on the page below dated from 2010 so could be wrong. In any case I guess that salary amount can include housing and other benefits?

http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...led-foreigners
I think your linked article may have been held for moderation, I hadn't seen that post of yours before. This happens to new members.

Obviously, you shouldn't be relying on some newspaper articles. Again, let those official sites I linked to above be your main resource for now. They won't be exhaustive, but they do also get into how that salary pans out in terms of benefits included or not, etc. They are arguably not always as good as one might hope them to be, but, they're your best start. Next, speak to your nearest Indian embassy or its outsourced visa services, I suppose.

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You gave me some pause there, why do some of us regularly say this?

Again, I wouldn't mean to suggest other countries are that more open to immigrants -- they generally really aren't --, however then it dawned on me that say in the Netherlands where I live, and probably in much of Europe, having legally lived and worked here for an X number of years -- it is in fact not that long, indeed a number of years -- and with no recorded ill behavior, one can in fact apply for local citizenship/nationality, if so desired.

India just doesn't have this provision, you'll never become an Indian citizen, unless indeed after ages, so that it will rarely apply to anyone. Any others will always be there on condition of whatever allows them to be there (employment, business, study, marriage). And so will always be a provisional alien there.

So I guess there does lie a main difference.
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Ok thanks Machadinha, I'll make sure to take a good look through those links you posted.

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I'm currently going through my visa process, and the $25000 per year rule is in effect. My wife will not be seeking employment because of this... just FYI

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