News report: US student dies in a croc attack on Havelock Island

#1 May 8th, 2010, 08:35
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The link provides the details...

Really tragic story...
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There is already a thread with this tragic story:

http://www.indiamike.com/india/andam...elock-t107905/
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I did look in the right forum but missed that thread. Sorry about that!
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Tragic story. Just read in the paper a few days ago that her sister died 4 years ago rock climbing after she fell.
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Oh,Oh, it transpires that crocodile (estuarine crocodiles,that is)attacks are not uncommon events in the Andaman Islands. Type into Google "crocodile attacks andaman"and see the statistics.At least ONE every year for the last 25 years
I have also noticed on the and.nic.in. website that there are supposed to be "lifeguards" on beaches. Please tell to all, has anybody been aware of "lifeguards" on any beaches in the Andamans???????????? Is it not about time that the authorities of Andaman and Nicobar islands own up to their guilt of misinforming the public as to the EVERPRESENT dangers of aquatic pastimes in the Andaman Islands.
Bull Sharks,Tiger Sharks, Blacktip reef sharks, many stingrays,estuarine crocodiles and ,a seemingly complete absense of lifeguards.
Dear A+N authorities, life is Important to the holders of it,please get your priorities in order and conduct an awareness campain. A lover of Andaman
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lol man, have you actually ever BEEN to india? Your words make perfect sense in some very distant places, almost unreal when walking here on streets. Policians caring about anything ... lol
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Originally Posted by saiya-jin View Post lol man, have you actually ever BEEN to india? Your words make perfect sense in some very distant places, almost unreal when walking here on streets. Policians caring about anything ... lol
To answer your question i have been in India for one year and five month,not all together,but spread over a period of years.As a consequence,i think that my perception of that which is "happening" has a fair balance. Over the course of those years i have seen enormous changes in all levels of society and expect to see more,some for the better and some for the worse,probably. I am sorry if i have touched a sensitive nerve of yours, you seem to be offended at my post. Perhaps you could tell me/us more about your own seemingly "deep insight" into life in India.
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sorry if my previous post was maybe bit too emotional, but when dealing everyday with goverment officials here & now, situation is always the same... left hand doesn't know what right hand does, and not even tries to. We in "west" curse on our goverment employees for their lack of efficiency, but compared to this what is everpresent in all parts of india, they're supermans. It just comes with this "shanti-shanti" attitude we love india, but if ou REALLY need to get somewhere, know something, and there isn't a living soul to help you although there clearly should be, it's quite sad. India is going on maybe 5% of their potential, but because of what I wrote, i doubt they will reach more in some reasonable time. To make it short, there is NOTHING, repeat NOTHING on Havelock stating that there's been an attack on tourist. On jetty there's something about crocodile seen on Sr. John Lawrence Island, and that's it. No info about attack, no info about ban on swimming. And what's banned? Beach Nr. 7? Not really. Whole Havelock? YES, by the police chief we asked personally. Not true, you can do all you want, nobody cares or guards. Or another example - On Neil, which i consider perfectly safe from Havelock's saltwater croc, AFTER 1 week of accident, policeman start occuring on northern tip banning from snorkelling. The fact that i was ~100m from him didn't bother him at all...
I could continue for ages ... it's always the same, been same 2 years before on our first trip. No matter if andamans, ladakh, Rajastan or anywhere else. So yes, there sure are huge changes (where aren't?), but from my point of view ... there is enormous space for improvement. And it's sad that human life is the theme. But people die, it's the risk we all know.
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Thanks for the reply. I have to agree with you on your thoughts of officialdom,politicians etc,but if the glaring inefficiencies didnīt exist maybe India would be more like China,and then what would happen? Anyway,all the best to you ..Martinez
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Here you can find a report on the incident created by expects on the field (the only experts whom have been in the area after the incident):

http://madrascrocbank.blogspot.com/

Here is a report created a while ago on salt water crocodiles in Andaman Islands:

http://oldwww.wii.gov.in/envis/crocodile/anda.htm

There have definitely been attacks on humans by salt water crocodiles in Andaman Islands. But remember that Andaman Islands cover a huge area and an attack do not mean that someone die.

Of all the attacks from 1986 to 1993, where there was 10, a total of 3 people died. Never before have a tourist died and never before have anyone been attacked close to Havelock Island.

There are lifeguards on a few of the beaches in Andaman Islands, just like there are lifeguards on beaches other places in the world. How good they are is not for me to say, but I am sure everyone can improve. What is sure is that even in places where there are lifegards people do drown or have other incidents.

It is a tragic incident that occurred, and everyone is now doing their best to as much as possible prevent it from happening again.
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Hi all,

I'm currently in Port Blair, after spending time on Havelock. The tragic US girl's story can still be heard of by some tourists, while others don't seem to know it ever occured.

Anyway, there are now lifeguards and signs saying "swimming and snorkling are not recommended" on beach 7 and especially Neil's cove, known as the "lagoon", where the incident took place. Guards are posted there in early morning, disappear during the day and come back in late afternoon just before sunset. They tell people NOT to go into the water during those hours, but people still go snorkling despite the warnings.

When asked about the presence of salt water crocodiles on Havelock, the locals remain silent or just laugh in your face. The usual "No problem" is the answer you get! It seems obvious that most resort, guest house and restaurant owners are reluctant to mention the presence of crocodiles on the island. Tourism is BIG on Havelock, as we all know. Noone here, involved in tourism, would want the Andamans to become infamous for being infested with salt water crocodiles. At least, that's the impression i had when talking to some people here.

The Andaman Islands are covered with mangroves, rivers and estuaries, which are classic crocodile habitats. No wonder some incidents may occasionally occur.

All the best from Port Blair!
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Originally Posted by fredjican View Post Hi all,

I'm currently in Port Blair, after spending time on Havelock. The tragic US girl's story can still be heard of by some tourists, while others don't seem to know it ever occured.

Anyway, there are now lifeguards and signs saying "swimming and snorkling are not recommended" on beach 7 and especially Neil's cove, known as the "lagoon", where the incident took place. Guards are posted there in early morning, disappear during the day and come back in late afternoon just before sunset. They tell people NOT to go into the water during those hours, but people still go snorkling despite the warnings.

When asked about the presence of salt water crocodiles on Havelock, the locals remain silent or just laugh in your face. The usual "No problem" is the answer you get! It seems obvious that most resort, guest house and restaurant owners are reluctant to mention the presence of crocodiles on the island. Tourism is BIG on Havelock, as we all know. Noone here, involved in tourism, would want the Andamans to become infamous for being infested with salt water crocodiles. At least, that's the impression i had when talking to some people here.

The Andaman Islands are covered with mangroves, rivers and estuaries, which are classic crocodile habitats. No wonder some incidents may occasionally occur.

All the best from Port Blair!
Hope you do enjoy Andaman Islands and have had the chance to explore the islands a bit.

Resort, guesthouse and restaurant owners are not reluctant to mention the incident that happen and the fact that Andaman Islands have crocodiles. It is just that despite it was a tragic accident life have to move on.

The fact is that there were no confirmed crocodile sightings before the tragic accident and there have been none confirmed after on Havelock Island (sightings have turned out to be schooling fish, dugong or others). Fact is also that on Havelock Island there is a higher risk of being killed by a coconut, a snakebite or a motorcycle than by a crocodile.

Government have done a fair bit in warning people, regardless of that there have been no confirmed sightings after. They have also done some work looking for nests on the island itself, which they have not found as experts have also said Havelock Island would not be a favored place for crocodiles to be for some reason. Business owners on the island do their part by not conducting any watersport in the cove it happened and inform people who feel they need to be informed further than what the police do.

It is not a secret that Andaman Islands is a saltwater crocodile sanctuary. Search on the net and it is very easily available information. Ask business owners in Andaman Islands and they will tell you.

Fact is that tourism did not drop days, weeks or months after the tragic incident. And this season it has been better than ever. People seems to understand that when they come to islands like Andaman Islands accident might happen, even freak accident that nobody properly understand should happen. People seems to understand the relative risks and do take them.

Even with the crocodile incident I am sure if you took percentage of tourists who get injured or killed in Andaman Islands, and compare it with the same in say Phuket, you will find that Andaman Islands are safe.

So, I dont agree with that the incident is being hidden by anyone. Neither do I agree with what your post do somehow imply, that it is more unsafe to be on Andaman Islands than most other places in the world.

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