Arga Fort Train station at night solo female.

#1 Apr 6th, 2018, 19:04
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Hi I'm new here, sorry for my quick post but I'm in Argra now and have the Marudhar express, 14584 booked tomorrow night at 20:30hrs to Varanasi.

My train from Delhi to AF was delayed 3 hours from scheduled departure 7am. It was a long wait as i had arrived at the new delhi station at 530am.

If my train to Varanasi is delayed tomorrow night, is it safe for me to stay and wait for the train given that AF is a smaller station?
I am 2AC but currently sitting on RLWL. I'm wondering if i should book a plane ticket instead just to be safe.

I booked my ticket directly through IRCTC whilst in Australia, does this mean i am automatically in the tourist quota?

Any advice from anyone fellow female traveller having been in simular situation would be great. Or any of you guys who are familiar with the station/train.. oh and is this train punctual?
Thanks in advance..!
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Originally Posted by Feleciac View Post Hi I'm new here, sorry for my quick post but I'm in Argra now and have the Marudhar express, 14584 booked tomorrow night at 20:30hrs to Varanasi.

My train from Delhi to AF was delayed 3 hours from scheduled departure 7am. It was a long wait as i had arrived at the new delhi station at 530am.

If my train to Varanasi is delayed tomorrow night, is it safe for me to stay and wait for the train given that AF is a smaller station?
I am 2AC but currently sitting on RLWL. I'm wondering if i should book a plane ticket instead just to be safe.

I booked my ticket directly through IRCTC whilst in Australia, does this mean i am automatically in the tourist quota?

Any advice from anyone fellow female traveller having been in simular situation would be great. Or any of you guys who are familiar with the station/train.. oh and is this train punctual?
Thanks in advance..!
Better you can book a flight ticket as your ticket status is still RLWL.
#3 Apr 6th, 2018, 20:19
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There is waiting room at Agra fort station. You may stay there during waiting period.

You have not got ticket under foreign tourist quota. One has to book it personally at the booking office.

Further, you have not mentioned the WL no hence prediction would be difficult. BTW, you may wait till chart is prepared. If the berth is not confirmed the ticket will get automatically cancelled. Then you may purchase a general class ticket, but please note, you will have to travel in general class bogey. You should avoid travelling that way. You may travel by bus instead.

Further, you have three flight options per week by Air India...
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Hi,

I don't want to give you bad advice, but I know a lot of the booked tickets can get cancelled on the last day, do you have a waitlist number to indicate how far you are on the list?

There is no "tourist quota" ticket allocation for your train.

Most stations have a ladies only waiting room. I think you will be quite safe even late at night.

Fog often causes delays to trains in winter, among other issues. Not sure if the fog season extends into April or not.

It would be possible for you to travel Saturday morning on train 12433 ffrom Agra Cant to Delhi, and to obtain tourist quota tickets for the same day from Delhi to Varanasi or Mughal sarai which is nearby Varanasi.
You would need to get a taxi from the 12433 train arrival station to New Delhi station where the International Tourists office is.

It sounds a bit of a hassle, but is one option.

Tickets are currently available for both the above options.

I recommend https://etrain.info/in for checking trains and PNR numbers.

Good Luck!

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Originally Posted by Prakaant View Post One has to book it personally at the booking office.
Now one can book it online also.
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Thanks guys so much for your replies.
I went to the ticket office at AF at 1130am as my ticket was showing WL2 and was informed there was little chance of my ticket being confirmed for that train. So he said he would cancel the ticket and i purchased another ticket same train the next evening. That part was easy.

This was good timing as i had met an Austrian girl also leaving on a different train but around half hour apart the same evening so we could wait together. 😊

As for the cancelled ticket. It didnt get canceled and its my fault i should have cancelled it online as i had purchased it online. Note to always check and never assume what youre told. So i am not getting a refund. 😥

Turns out the station was crowded and well lit. Lots of westerners and women and security. Very very different to New Delhi station!
Even if I was alone i would have felt safe.

Thank you again!
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Originally Posted by Feleciac View Post Hi I'm new here, sorry for my quick post but I'm in Argra now...
You say Arga, I say Argra...let's call the whole thing off.

PS OldandRambling, there is no fog in April. April is white-hot summer, high approaching 40C.
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Originally Posted by Feleciac View Post ...was informed there was little chance of my ticket being confirmed for that train.

As for the cancelled ticket. It didnt get canceled and its my fault i should have cancelled it online as i had purchased it online. Note to always check and never assume what youre told. So i am not getting a refund. 😥
If the ticket does not get confirmed, then the ticket will get cancelled automatically and you shall get your refund.
However if the ticket reaches RAC/confirmed status, then the cancellation won't happen automatically.
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Thank you for letting folk know the outcome, and the info about the station.

It is so helpful to other travellers if people can update their posts.

Glad it went well.


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Travel between Agra and Varanasi is a pain.

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Originally Posted by OldandRambling View Post Hi,

Fog often causes delays to trains in winter, among other issues. Not sure if the fog season extends into April or not.

I recommend https://etrain.info/in for checking trains and PNR numbers
The problem, in addition to the fog, it that all trains from Agra to Varanasi appear to be passing through the 'black hole' of Kanpur. The section from Panki to a few stations south of Allahabad, or even all the way to Mughalsarai is prone to enormous delays, even in the good season, unless you happen to be travelling by the prestigious trains Rajdhani, Shatabdi, or Duronto.

So it is sad that the train travel from these two destinations popular for foreign tourists (I haven't visited Varanasi, and have no inclination to do so either), is very inconvenient. Perhaps the dying national carrier Air India has done at least one clever thing by flying (though only thrice weekly) from Agra to Varanasi.

So, what are the alternate ways to travel between Agra and Varanasi without being ripped off?

One thing would be to go to Delhi and then fly. Not a bad idea, if you get a cheap ticket from Delhi to Varanasi, and know your way around in Delhi.

Another would be to travel all the way by bus. Search for them here for the state run buses, and at http://redbus.in for all buses.

UP roads are not the best, especially at night. Want a bus/train combo? Travel by one of the numerous buses from Agra to Lucknow. Refer to the links above. Pick an intercity train from Lucknow to Varanasi, or any train that leaves from somewhere near Lucknow. There are several. Trains from Delhi travelling on the Moradabad-Bareilly route should also be okay.

Train only? Difficult to suggest a punctual option. One could get from Agra to Tundla, and board the Shatabdi to Lucknow. Then by train (or bus if you want to)

Travelling in a group? Take an OLA outstation cab - they give decent one-way fares from Agra to Kanpur and Lucknow. From there, another ola outstation or train to Varanasi.

PS: there are some punctual trains from Kanpur to Varanasi. But the choice from Lucknow is much wider. Lucknow is also a nicer city.
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I'm really surprised that no one has offered another option, which was recommended to me when I was in a similar situation in Agra. Book a ticket from Mathura and go there by bus, about one hour from Agra. This is a major train station which connects many routes and it is much easier to get a ticket to Varanasi from Mathura. And good advice about general tickets, I would never book a general ticket from Agra to Varanasi! It's a LONG trip (as someone said, often very much longer in fog season, took me almost 24 hours to get from Varanasi to Delhi in December!) and general is NOT fun...I mean, really interesting for anything under four hours, but really filthy and chaotic. But entertaining!
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Mmm, don't think that makes much sense. All trains from Mathura to Varanasi pass through Agra, except 2 trains, and these trains run once a week each. And these trains run FROM agra. So, if one happens to be travelling on those days ( Saturday 05:45 for 13168, and Thurday 18:05 for the 12320). There trains pass through Kanpur, but not through the usual route, so punctuality might be better. Another option is to travel by the 12178 Chambal Express from Agra - this runs only on Monday at 05:13 from Agra. Note that the last 2 trains mentioned only go to Mughalsarai, and not Varanasi.

Honestly, going via Mathura makes NO sense, to anyone who knows anything about railways in India. Are you sure that you travelled from Agra to Varanasi stopping over at Mathura? By which train did you travel? Are you sure you were headed to Varanasi, and not towards (some parts of)Rajasthan,(some parts of) Gujarat, Mumbai, or the Konkan coast, for which travelling via Mathura would make some sense, though there are other alternatives.
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With respect, I think I know what train I was on and where I was going....

I was not going FROM Agra and PASSING THROUGH Mathura, I was starting in Mathura. The point was, there are more train options FROM Mathura rather than being restricted to the trains that go through Agra...
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Okay, which train (train number of name) was it? Perhaps it ran at the time, and doesn't run now? I am very curious.

There are 3 basic routes (though there are many variations) from Mathura to Varanasi, without having to pass through Delhi.

They are:
1. The "Nornal" route via Agra. One proceeds by the main line from Mathura to Raja-ki-Mandi, or Agra, train reverses, crosses the Yamuna by one of the two bridges in the vicinity, and then ends up in Tundla. From here, one proceeds to Kanpur-Lucknow-Varanasi (This route is the Marudhar Express which the OP was originally booked to travel by). There are other variations, such as Tundla-Kanpur-Allahabad-Varanasi (Taken by the Agra-Ranchi Express) , or Tundla-Kanpur-Allahabad-bypass_before_Mughalsarai-Varanasi (No train from Agra takes this route). Or one could take a train which doesn't go Varanasi, but stops at Mughalsarai, and make one's way from there.
In theory, this is the faster route, but only the most prestigious trains keep to schedule, and they don't stop at Tundla, except the Lucknow Shatabdi I mentioned earlier. Travel by any other train will make one cry.

2. The other option, which has become viable only in the last few years, once the gauge was converted. This is Mathura-(cross the Yamuna)-Hathras-Kasganj-Kanpur, then the same as the above Kanpur onwards. This route is a little better in terms of punctuality, but as I said earlier, only 2 trains a week to Varanasi actually take this route.

You can actually find the list of trains here - every single train either travels via Agra, or originates from Agra, and then proceeds via route (2).

There are variants of route 2, Mathura-Hathras-Kasganj-Bareilly-Lucknow-Varanasi, and others, but no trains from Mathura to Varanasi take that route.

3. The third route involves going Mathura-Agra-Jhansi, and then the line towards Allahabad, bypass Allahabad, heading towards Mughalsarai. The once-a-week Chambal Express takes this route. The Chambal historically started from Agra, but seems to have been extended to Mathura recently. This train has historically connected cities like Gwalior and Jhansi to Southern Bihar and West Bengal.


I still don't see how Mathura helps in getting to Varanasi. To Mumbai, Goa, Kota, Vadodara, Mangalore, Kochi, Trivandrum, etc, I see some rationale. But to Varanasi? I am missing something here.

If you substituted Tundla for Mathura, what you said makes sense. But the train delays will make one cry. I was trying to recommend ways to prevent these insane (4-8 hours, or even more) delays.
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I appreciate your attention to detail. I will try to find the exact train when I get time, because now I would like to resolve this question accurately. I'm sorry I posted without specific details.

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