Osho

Gametotravel

Major threadjacking happening here. In a Rajneesh thread;participants are talking in circles about someone by name UG.

When asked on expanding his/her initials another participant gives the forum a Wikipedia search link.

This is not a private chat room but an open forum where abreviations or initials when used should be explained.

And why not do it in a separate thread titled UG. Incidentally in India UG stands for Under Graduate( no slinging but what name to assume?)

Also for a person who always respected Rajneesh for some of his teachings this is just not done!

Nothing personal here but any other person trying to decipher would also have the same reaction as me!

Also request people to make smaller paras; to make it more readable(have'nt people come across the term "brevity"?).

chAos

breathe...

I can only answer one of your concerns:

UG = UG Krishnamurti = Uppaluri Gopala Krishnamurti.

Here's the wiki entry.

brishti

has anybody noticed the 'handle' of the person who initiated this thread?



:brishti

Scandojazzbuff

Have you noticed how many monitors have objected to this thread and tried to 'steer' it back to its rightful owner?

Please lodge a complaint with the forum monitors, take some laxative, and, I hope you feel better tomorrow morning. Have a wonderful day, think good thoughts, and, say your prayers before bedtime. We really love you.

Gametotravel

We love you too! Now kindly continue the deliberations; they are coming into focus.

sebin

Gametotravel, I feel, you are not reading the posts here completely. That is why you got into the confusion.
On 'Jul 12th, 2008, 00:20' "batistuta" had already told in this thread who is UG.

Even i don't think, i will agree with the idea talking about UG under the name of Osho. But it is human nature to talk about things that they care(you scold the mods under the name of Osho, why you didnot created another thread for that?).

Gametotravel

I love philosophical discussions too! Was just trying to give a perspective!

Also I did not scold anyone but was trying to get the attention of the mods/monitors/referee like it happens in football, capish!

grikoo

I think the discussion we are having is just as relevant to Osho as it is to UG. We are discussing ideas that are universally relevant to any discussion on eastern philosophy or philosophers, and could just as easily have a similar discussion on Osho. You could plug any philosophers name in here and eventually get around to the same issues.

I think that both I and UG would agree that the functioning you're referring to is a universal phenomena in humans. This is why he called it 'the natural state'. He took the slant that the body was the source of his change, while I would describe it as a psychological change. For me the process was a gradual breaking down of the 'mind', to the point that only the sensation of the body was left. For him, this was a process that the body underwent, which resulted in a state where only body sensation was left and the mind had been broken down. They are exactly the same phenomena, only with a difference in the interpretaion.

Neither of us would claim that it's anything special. It goes on all the time in the background. We're simply so absorbed by the parade of ongoing mental images, that we never see it clearly. I haven't read enough of UG to really assess his opinion on this, but for me I felt the experience was very similar to closing your eyes for a long period of time. After a while the other senses become dramatically more acute. In the same way, when the mind is halted completely, the sensation of 'being' becomes dramatically pronounced.

My main dissatisfaction was that while this experience allows you to dis-identify with the mind and personality based on it, and is very 'liberating' because of this, the experience does not actually free you from subjectivity. It is ironically precisely because our experience is locked directly into the body and sensation, into 'being', that we are stuck in that subjectivity. When I was younger I had naively hoped to find a way out of that.

It's true that the state implies the inability to differentiate between 'I' and 'Other', and this is a very interesting perspective to have, but the experience is limited to experiencing the lack of difference between the body as a sensory experience and the objects of sensation immediately relevant to the body. This is simply what you'd expect from an organism with sense organs, nothing special. Turn the mind off and you get 'pure awareness', turn it on and you get 'conventional reality'.

But because the experience is still locked into subjectivity, it is impossible to 'know' that the experience is actually a reflection of reality, that it is in fact true that there is no separation. Because of this, I've actually found philosophy an equally indispensible tool in 'verifying' the truth of this experience. It's deductive reasoning, and thus always based on unprovable ideas, but as a supplement to an equally 'unverifyable' experience, it can't be done without. Once you open your mouth, your bound to engage in it anyway, so it's better to have as good an understanding of logic and philosophy as possible. The body's sense organs only give a few, very narrow, very localized slices of reality, so it's necesary to extrapolate the rest, and one's ability to do this effectively is exactly proportionate to the coherency of one's view. Otherwise I think the experience often gets grossly misinterpreted.

That's all I really have to say at this point.

Scandojazzbuff

Grikoo,

Dream on........

Gametotravel

All Indian philosophies are not so passive in nature!

Aman

I found a wonderful place which is called the village cum forest in south delhi. just check this site http://thevillage.org.in

It is on the concept of Zorba the Bhudha - the vision of Osho which is based on Meditation, Celebration, Creativity to Consciousness.

I am going there for meditation this week from 27th Nov. If anyone else is going then do tell me. Thanks. Below is the information abt the camp.

Osho Meditation Retreat
Meditate - Celebrate

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Conducted by
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27th Nov. 6 PM to 30th Nov. 5:30 PM 2008
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Only Selected people are chosen for this workshop. Good Luck. Take Care.

Aman

kevinf7

With Osho why is everyone caught up with his 100 Rolls Royces? This is like a roundabout way of judging someone. Its like saying I dont like him because of the way he looks or the way he behaves. Perhaps if you really get to know the person, and what he is actually saying you might find that he is not so bad, your opinion may change, and the rolls royce will become such a small thing......... The rolls royce btw was supposed to be just a teaching that reflects your own prejudices about material wealth (your own reflection).

Nick-H

...Naaah. He says loads of good stuff. You'd probably find it hard to find a quote I wouldn't agree with. Still can't stand the man!
Rather a central feature of someone in that sort fo position, I would have thought!

Whatever...

tigersach

Hi Anandi,

where are you these days. Osho was one of best philosopher and intellect. His entire philosophy was on jainism as he was professor of Jainism in Ujjain University. Nice to meet you on this forum. Are you in India or planning to come to India..be in touch

Trika_yogi

I LOL'd at the whole thread.

And this was the best post here.

UG and Osho?