Looking for spiritual places advice

Paleface

Even big bang is a mystery - if it was a cataclysmic explosion, how come stuff of the universe came to stick illogically together, when logically that stuff should have continued to fly apart ad infinitum and not coalesce. It means there were two forces at play, a flying apart and a sticking together, simultaneously?

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kullukid

When you genuinely ask "Who Am I?" then the answer should be reached through negation, in other words Neti Neti (not this not this) I am not this Body mind emotions I am not this World etc.Eventually this enquiry (Vichara)through negation will lead you to the silence of True Being (Absolute Self). KK

Paleface

Ho ho, and the dualities, the opposites in the fullness of the circle will meet. Where? In singularity, beyond the event horizon...

Golden Chapati

Sorry struggling to follow you KK, are you saying that people think if they truly disbelieve in the concept of the 'self', only then do they reach the true self i.e. there is no self? Thanks.

Well logic is wasted when discussing the nature of the universe. We can understand how they work but we have no idea why they work. Logically, nothing should have happened since apparently that was all there was, or was not as the case may be. The collapsing and expanding theory might explain it, i.e. that the universe is in a constant state of expanding and then collapsing. It is amusing that if you believe in this and causality together, then you could argue that the universe follows the exact same pattern every time it expands and collapses. Every atom hitting another is a reaction to what it collided with before; i.e. the explosion is a reaction to the collapse that preceded it and nothing can ever be any different - and so forth ad infinitum.

kullukid

Well, I'm not sure I'd use the word disbelieving. When you come to the realistion of the illusoriness of a seperate self, then only undivided Self IS.
In other words there is no seperate "you" or "me" we have invented them. All is one! It's called Non Duality try Googling it & see what comes up GC. KK

Paleface

There's no belief, nor quasi religious doctrine about it really!

Simply if one is satisfied that a name, a gender, race, job/no job description defines me, or you as my-self, then that's fine. There is nothing more about self, be it a concept or of a qantum truth to talk of. Moreover if all is random there can be no order in the chaos and nothing can be quantumly integrated, and i am a nihilist, as there is no uniting self stuff and no so no point to life, and after all a point in space has no co ordinates, is a big nothing. Contrarily the power of Zero, zilch, nada was uncovered in India, meaning in nothingness there is evidently everythingness.

kullukid

"True happiness cannot be found in things that change and pass away. Pleasure and pain alternate inexorably. Happiness comes from the Self and can be found in the Self only. Find your Real Self (swarupa) and all else will come with it". Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj KK

Aupmanyav

I suggest Sivananda Ashram to begin with. Then, get free. It is no fun to be tied to one view. Explore.

Farhana

The experience of the Oneself is more than a conceptual thing. It is something that is 'real'. To find or look for permanence in this living is looking to live forever in one lifetime. It is not possible. What is possible is the feeling of a long long time in a moment. Some moments seem to last forever. I remember certain moments like imprints, clear and distinct and complete. There was nothing more desired or longed for in that moment, but the moment exists and that was it.

In this thread of "spiritual advise".... there has been many discussion on Gurus, Ashrams, Schools of Thought and concepts such as Absolute and Self.

All these are really about one thing and only one thing. Self-Transformation. Why a living master? Why look for your Guru? Why is it a privilege of being in the grace of a PRESENCE of a Master? Because the process of self-transformation no long takes years. Because, the veils of ignorance are blasted away in the most incredible way.

There is no other Being on this planet who would have been able to show me what Her Grace has shown me.

Her Grace is a Maharishika of the highest order. She has over the past few days shown me, blow-by-blow, the most intrinsic falsehoods by which I operated from. I went through a day of experiencing a crushing. And it is too easy to run away and quit. But it is all about staying and seeing. Self-transforming.

There is no place to run, no place to hide anymore. Only one place to sit and surrender. At the feet of a living Seer. Her Grace.

Since the first posting on Indiamike, a group of volunteers have been making it possible for more people to experience this level of intense transformation by letting people know.

There is now a website and a group on Facebook called PRESENCE Seekers. The website is www.transformationmatrix.org

It is light-years more difficult have to deal with an alive than a no-longer-living master.

I sincerely hope more Seekers have the opportunity of meeting with Her Grace while she is here and meeting with people through a happening called PRESENCE.

The next dates are 23rd of December till 27th of December 2009, 3 hours from Mumbai City in India.

Everyone above 18 is welcome.

Sincerely,
Farhana.

Aupmanyav

Sometimes people can find solace in untruths also. Gods and Goddesses are such solace. What is the guarantee that the supposed truth that you have found is not really a falsehood? Break free, break free, of gurus and guruanis. Be your own guru.

Farhana

Dear Aupmanyav,

The first statements you make are that people can find solace in untruths. Gods and Goddesses are such solace.

Wow! That is really true actually.

Solace in a way is very comforting. It is the hope above all hopes that everything is going to be ok.

My comment back to you is as in your own words: "Break free, break free, of Gods and Goddesses. Be your own God."

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Another important point I have to make is that there is no bondage with the 'Guru Shishya' relationship. There is nothing to break free from, because the Shishya is not tied. The Shishya is there sitting at the feet of Her Guru because of sheer adoration and joy of being close to Her Guru.

So if there is no bondage, there is no need to break free. This concept doesn't exist for me. I don't see it this way at all.

For me, it's a privilege and a joy. Knowing it is true is the same thing as finding a guru. It is the ability to clearly see, it is the ability to discern the true from the untrue. I don't seek solace in untruths. I seek Truth. Her Grace, My Guru is TRUTH.

I am not making a grandiose statement here. I am making a simple and humble statement after many years of seeking across continents. For you to know whether it is true for you, you will need to experience it for yourself.

Sincerely,
Farhana.

Aupmanyav

Hinduism does not take away 'solace' from people, even when it allows atheists in its fold. I do not need any directions for truth, because I have already found it. For me, the scriptures were the gurus. The Guru should try to break a shishya away from him/her. If the shishya does not understand, then it would be guru's responsibility. Unnecessary dependency, both ways. Otherwise, the shishyas will mar the message of the Guru and make him/her in to an industry.

BTW, I did not say 'be your own God', I said 'be your own guru'. And if you are related to www.presenceseekers.com, it is a christian missionary outfit. Why do you have to hide it?

Farhana

Dear Aupmanyav,

The Guru-Shishya relationship is not at all Hindu. You are mixing the two things. Hinduism is a belief system which binds a group of people together. It does not necessarily lend itself to self-transformation in any way.

The aim of a Guru-Shishya relationship is transformation at some level. The level of transformation is what is seen by the Guru. Each person's transformation is so different. It is up to the Guru and the Shishya in each individual case.

From the outside, there is no hard and fast rule for any given Guru-Shishya relationship. There is no dependency. Again you confuse choice on both parts of the Guru and Her Shishya; with the idea of "breaking free." There is no dependency if there is no bondage. This is not the ancient school of punishment and need and power. This is a situation of choice. This is the new world.

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The GURU has no message. The GURU transforms the SHISHYA if both have named the other as either the GURU or the SHISHYA. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing else. And everything else. :-)

That is correct. You said, "BE YOUR OWN GURU." Using the same vein of your statement, I say, "BE YOUR OWN GOD."

If you have seen the Truth, I don't know, cause I sincerely haven't and I don't think my little head can take it.. (it might explode), then I believe, in the glimpses of light that has been thrown on me... in those rare, precious moments with Her Grace... there is no dependency, there is no Guru. There is the experience of the moment. That is all.

Sincerely,
Farhana.

Farhana

BTW, I did not say 'be your own God', I said 'be your own guru'. And if you are related to www.presenceseekers.com, it is a christian missionary outfit. Why do you have to hide it?[/QUOTE]

No. I am not related to the URL mentioned above. I don't follow any particular religion but have been exposed quite deeply to a few. Studied a few units of philosophy of religion as well.

Nope, I am not a Christian Missionary.

Sincerely,
Farhana.

Paleface

Are you funnin' us? Guru-Shishya not Vedic?? Hinduism is only a belief system; Yog is not transformative eh! Is all this your own conclusion or that of the presence?