Jiddu Krishnamurti

Enlightenment is the culmination of logical thought. It is desirable, because after that you are not troubled by questions.

Not only that, but an understanding of physics, chemistry, biology, geology, sociology, anthropology, history, etc., also is required.

Take a heavy dose of sleeping pills and wake up enlightened.

When all the five organs of knowledge
along with our mind are in a state of
effortless quietitude, and when the intellect
too has no reason to jump around, that
the Seers call the highest & most natural state.
...- Kathopanishad (2-6-10)

Those wise men alone experience the
divine 'peace that passeth all understanding'
who directly realise 'That' which is - the
eternal essence in all longlasting things,
the very intelligence in all intelligent beings,
...that which is the 'one' in this world full of multiplicity,
and that which fulfills the desires of all,
- as their very Self.
No one else can ever awake to that
realm of complete & divine fulfillment.
- Kathopanishad (2-5-13)

“ … let your requests be known unto God. And the peace of God which passes all understanding shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus” (Phil. 4:7).

JK said knowledge is always incomplete,because you can always add to it!!

"There is a Peace that passeth all understanding.
It abides in the hearts of those who live in the Eternal.
There is a Power that maketh all thing new.
It lives & moves in those who know the Self as ONE!"
KK

"We hardly ever listen to the sound of a dog's bark, or to the cry of a child or the laughter of a man as he passes by. We separate ourselves from everything, and then from this isolation look and listen to all things. It is this separation that is so destructive, for in that lies all conflict and confusion. If you listened to the sound of those bells with complete silence, you would be riding on it--or, rather, the sound would carry you across the valley and over the hill. The beauty of it is felt only when you and the sound are not separate, when you are part of it. Meditation is the ending of the separation not by any action of will or desire.

Meditation is not a separate thing from life; it is the very essence of life, the very essence of daily living. To listen to those bells, to hear [that] laughter...to listen to the sound of the bell on the bicycle of the little girl as she passes by: it is the whole of life, and not just fragment of it, that meditation opens."

(pp. 20-1, Meditations, Chennai, Krishnamurti Foundation India, 2000)

Agree to all things, even JK here, except the quote from Bible (You know I am an atheist advaitist, so no God or His Son). Difficult/impossible to disagree with you.

@ Sama, then meditation is not different from understanding.

I think fundamentally no one is really interested (in the right way)or in a way layman terms: hungry enough to know what is truth. We may speak endlessly of the truth described, the approach to understanding truth, quoting from sages who spoke about truth and even if we can explain flawlessly the described, we can never know truth and in the end, we are like an empty shell.

I am not saying that anything is wrong or right, and because we more along by reasons thus such teaching exist in a way to reflect on our reasoning and to bring us closer to our origin. Indeed what is said is often true, but what is the lacking factor that bring us to this realisation.

Is it because, we do not know how to be detached from these attachments we have, this continuence projection of the false mind, is it because we are unable to see the totality of these whole mechanism that is functioning and that we are caught bitterlessly and endlessly knowing or unknowingly, is it because our original intent is not set off along the right way of understanding.

Teachings like these exist because of beings like us. without us, these teaching would not have existed. Thus they are just like a tool to aid and point out to us in understanding and reflecting opon ourselves. These understanding if understood rightly may cause us to realise our fundamental nature and thus a possibility to be free from the continuality of cause and effect.

But it takes some quality for soneone who is serious, who greatly intensly desire to know, an earnest person who does not distort and lie to oneself which means straighforwardness in ones thought, and one who have a right understanding to these knowledge. Afterall it is being said you are the book of life if you know how to read it.

So I thought if you are not yet ready, find out why.. and if you do know the reaons and understands... practise deligently every moment and be ever aware. Then there is a possibility to come into direct realisation of that absolute.

This is just my thought.

"The Seeker is the Sought" JK
You are the Truth.

Tat Tvam Asi! (Thou art That!)
KK

A noble perspective.

Question for my own learning - why should I assume the logical inquiry process to be supreme and flawless? How do I know for certain that effect will always follow cause?

Adiyogi

KK,Aupmanyav,Sama and others have already explained a lot I think.How do you know that effect will always follow cause.Cannot Cause and effect be the same? The limitations of logical inquiry is that we follow the cause - effect path and it need not always be true and another problems is that the possibility of various causes contributing to an effect.

Thank you narayanvee