Is enlightenment an illusion?

Funny you should say that, as I had been about to post:

Is an illusion enlightenment?

First, have you ever seen or talked to an enlightened person? If Yes, then enlighten us how you recognised that the individual was indeed enlightened.

Repeat it infinitely many times if needed even though once is enough: "Enlightenment is an illusion".

That is the crunch.

Alternatively, we could say that we are all of varying degrees of enlightenment.

The base is different because of genes. Then bringing up, training, experiences make a difference. 'Special' is not really the equivalent of 'super'. Enlightenment is understanding.

Yes, we are enlightened to varying degrees. Some understand science, some archaeology, some sociology, some more than others.

By base i mean human limitations...we all eat sleep think and have limitations brought on by being in a human body...
this is inherent in any person regardless of genes & upbringing...certain genes changes might future limit this but nothing can enhance a human beyond this base...

there is also no way a human can attain understanding without some form of knowledge input...and knowledge input can only be done via learning from someone else who knows better...or via experiences...our own experiences or those of others...

starving one-selve until they go bonkers crazy does not increase knowledge...

you have to add something to get something of value...take a human add experience and knowledge you get wisdom....

but take a human add hunger and pain...and all you get is a delusional hallucinating lesser being...there is no other magical outcome...

Aare ! it is simple. Just like 'em folks use google without even thinking, Afterall if Google says so it must be right. Similarly, one can visit this clearinghouse.

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Lysergic acid diethylamide REALITY without knowledge

as in you can't drive a vehicle cross country on a drop of fuel..

so Jesus didn't turn water into wine?

Buddha realized that only on his enlightement.

If all knowledge had to come from someone else, we would not have progressed. With each generation there is an addition to knowledge. In one Upanishad the teacher tells the student at parting time, 'son, I have taught you what I knew, now go in the world and learn some more'.

What we derive from our experiences also differs from one person to another. It is said in India that the best are the people who learn from the experience of others. After that are people who learn only when something happens with them. The lowest are the people who do not understand even when something happens to them.

Watch this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U

The best if you try the meditation and you will tell us if it is same.

Man started off learning by trial and error...compiled trial and error of a whole village etc...they did not all sit down and meditate on how to start fires...and build the wheel...they learnt by trial and error...which was PASSED down and recorded each generation...

I agree we also learn from experience...but experience (or as something happens like you put it)...there is still an EXTERNAL factor in it...what you are saying as enlightenment is just people jumping to conclusions based on their own way of nonsense ideas...

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erhm no...and even if he did its a whole religious shebang that i will not get into...or i could find myself strapped to a burning crucifix....

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I honest to God did...and YES video gaming is WAY better...it helps me be more focused....


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you saw the world enlightenment and thought they were talking about spiritual enlightenment?

they are talking of an age where intellectual people shared ideas and helped each other grow...a time of industrial revolution....do you think Thomas Edison sat down and suddenly gained enlightenment and he created electricity and light bulbs? NO those electricity was idea he got from Nicola Tesla...and he was the first person to create the first commercially viable florescent light bulb...based on ideas he got from others...and told by the video the idea of enlightenment = deductive ability based on academic knowledge....

genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration...not 100% inspiration according to your idea of enlightenment....

Eckhart Tolle explaining enlightenment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdgO4UDrwm8

Did you watch the mind map video on education Diamonddrago, should do it will help in understanding why you think this way.

i totally agree with that...but i think you are actually missing the whole point of that video...I am all for "enlightenment" based on intellectual ideas based on information and knowledge we gain...modern media or normal schools...

it is this whole gaining of an idea based on hot air like in enlightenment that i cannot agree on...frankly speaking even with so much external information bombarded at us...there is still not enough information out there for us to "comprehend" the entire universe...let alone find the answer to the meaning of life and to understand ones own-self or such hogwash...

Ha, but we do know the answer already, isnt it? Its 42!