Hypnotherapy training schools

Eopperman

Anyone familiar with any Hypnosis and/or Hypnotherapy training schools in Delhi, Jaisalmer or Darjeeling? Any info would be great!

bonded

You can check with The Hypnotherapy School Of India, New Delhi

Goran

there are a few in Delhi, I think the "California hypnosis institute" though centered in Bombay has a branch there.. not sure though.. check this:

http://www.indianhypnosisacademy.com/training.htm

and this

http://www.hypnotherapydelhi.com/page.asp?id=148
( Dr.Choudhary) is not teaching at the moment however due to some health problems if I remember correctly, he will probably start doing it sometime next year.)

there are others probably, google should hep..

Nick-H

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Goran

why, is that the strangest thing you've seen in India?


(I think the founder, though Indian, practiced in California and the institute has a branch there too, but I'm not sure. It is possible that it was actually founded in California..)

Nick-H

I did wonder, in passing, if hypnosis had anything to do with it .

Strange... but, as you say, there's lots stranger still

Goran

passing where, by the school? I dont get it
well, there are a lot of "Indian" "Thai" and similar things in the west, I suppose "Californian" has a similar exotic and "import quality" sound to it in India, so it could make sense

Nick-H

In passing by the post. But, if I relax, close my eyes, and think Mumbai, I'm... in... Mumbai... . Actually, Google Earth might be better

Yes, I think it probably is a selling point.

I tried hypnotherapy as part of one of my unsuccessful attempts to give up smoking. Perhaps it didn't help that the therapist was a chain smoker!




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Goran

well, hypnotherapy is not a magic wand or something, like any other therapy. It is not, like people sometimes think, that the hypnotic trans (even when deeper than somnambulism usually used in therapy) is some kind of a blank state where you can reprogram people at will and they will do just anything you tell them to do. A part of it is in the skills of that particular therapist, but another is in the client. Even in hypnosis a person can chose to accept, reject, be indifferent to a suggestion. So besides of course the possible option that it just does not work for you or that the therapist was not skillful enough or just did not "klik" with you there is the possibility that you don't want to quit.

People go there with various motives, family members, friends, colleagues etc might be pressing then for example. Or they might have just a mild motivation.. something like: oh well, maybe we could try that.. but as people are not computers to be programed that easily if there is no real desire to do that suggestions will simply not be accepted.

For example if you are a stage hypnotist you have to make sure people you will be working with are not only highly suggestible (as you have no time to work for long on inductions) but also extroverted and even exhibitionists to a degree.. because if it goes against their innermost desires they wont make fools of themselves no meter how deep they are in trans just because you tell them too, it has to be accepted. Even more when you want to work on addictions.

But as said that is just one possible explanation. Another is that the therapist was not the most skillful one (you wouldn't believe all the crap that is done under the name of hypnotherapy), or that it is just not an adequate therapy for you, nothing works for everyone..

However I'm curious now, would you mind telling us more in detail about what your therapist was doing? How did the induction look like (if you don't know how it is actually called), what was he telling you in trans (and what depth of trans was it), did he have a good interview and explained the process before starting the session and so on

Nick-H

It was so long ago, I do not remember any of the details, except for that full ashtray being hurried out of the room! I'm sure that impressed itself on my consciousness more than anything else, in fact I quite fancy a smoke (its been 17 years since the successful attempt) just thinking about it .

I don't have anything against the guy. We did discuss the fact that he, himself, was a devotee of tobacco. I knew lots of people practising various forms of therapy, and I think I would have recognised, at least in retrospect, if the man had been useless.

We are, indeed, left with one of my favourite jokes:


How many therapists does it take to change a lightbulb?

--- Just one. But the lightbulb must really want to change!

bonded

That was a good one Nick

Goran

Goran

But you wouldn't like techniques that can manipulate you with or without your consent to be used now, or? Because that can (and often is) be misused, obviously. And some of it could be illegal too. Will go back on that topic when I have a little more time... have to go now..

Goran

I'm back

so I was saying … try comparing it to sports practice. You can have the best coach in the world, have all the predispositions, but if there’s no ambition, determination and a lot of work there will be no results. Of course every factor is important and every situation and person is a different story, a great therapist might sometimes have better results with a complicated client than not such a great one with an ideal client.. But nevertheless we have to take every factor in consideration…

that said of course it is possible to change a person independently, even against their will. If it was not possible we would not have brainwashing, coercive persuasion, marketing, politicians, cults and so on. The problem is that very often this methods go from very illegal, immoral and dangerous ones to some legal, safe if done by experts but at least possibly unethical.

For example one can make all kinds of behavioral changes if he is able to manipulate another person’s environment. In the more extreme brainwashing type of methods you would for example kidnap a person, take him restrained and blindfolded to an unknown place. Either far away or make him think it is far by going around aimlessly with the transportation .. Than you arrange everything in such a way for him to feel completely helpless, dependent on you and so on. It is easy from there to go on with various methods that should induce desired changes in that individual. A less invasive, but maybe even more successful set of methods can be observed in any cult. The principles are the same, but more covert. You will not kidnap someone and isolate him in the described way. You will achieve this isolation and dependence on the authority figure and the group with a little different methods, making people feel more and more connected to the group, more and more apart from the outside world and so on. The results can be even better as it is (at least appears to be) voluntary and is freely accepted by the subject.

Of course, that is unethical, illegal and possible dangerous (especially if you use torture, drugs and so on). And I don’t think you would like to do that to stop smoking

If we talk strictly about hypnotherapy what is generally said and what is generally the truth is that no one can make you do what you don’t want to. However we can stretch that a bit..

1 - If you are a good manipulator you may convince a person that he wants something. For example someone comes for smoking, but does not really want to quit, he knows it is not healthy, but it is a superficial rationalization, there is no real desire to change that. But that same person is obsessed with money. In that case it might be more beneficial not to start the therapy from a health perspective, but to connect it to the financial benefits and money saved when he will stop smoking. It is sort of “mental aikido/judo”, you don’t force things on the person, but try to know him really good and than use his own desires, motivations, world views and so on and direct them where you want them to be..

2 – Covert hypnosis. Goes by many names – Ericsonian, conversational, indirect, NLP, waking hypnosis .. this or that – but the principles are simple. You use suggestions not openly like in direct hypnosis but in such a way that your targets are not aware of them. As the conscious mind is not aware of them it is much easier to.. sort of place them “incognito” in the subconsciousness, without going through the analytical mind. Even here to be really successful it is better to use it in combination with the principles described previously (1). It is often used in political speeches for example and any place where people want to manipulate others. It is also a great therapeutically tool, but although principles are simple, and many people learn it there are not so many that are really good with this hypnotic techniques. I personally know only one. And he is a really good and successful therapist, no doubt about that. But again, this can be used in an unethical manner more than direct hypnosis can.

3 – while in the hypnotic states (light, medium, deep trance/somnambulism, esdale/coma state, ultra depth/sichort – although the last one is controversial) and using direct suggestions you have to go through a “acceptability check”, once a good degree of the deep trance is achieved it can be used to induce a different kind of trance that is not one of the usual hypnotic states, but where the “check” is much less present and that is to my knowledge the only way of misusing direct and overt hypnosis and manipulating someone to a significant degree. However this s seldom used in therapy and seldom learned in the courses. Some established schools do teach it however. Now it is a great tool in therapy, but obviously can be and has been misused.


So you see, the point I’m trying to make is that any tool that could make changes in the mind of a person without his active collaboration and desire to do it has a potential of doing harm too. Some are obviously dangerous, unethical an illegal, some can be used for good, but also misused… and unfortunately when something can be misused it often is.

Nick-H

Wow. Interesting.