how to get seat combination of my choice

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If I want to get four berths viz. UB, LB, UB, LB in a block in 2 AC, is there any procedure I should follow? I have seen that in Danapur Express, even though 29 seats are available, SL, SU, UB, UB have been shown to be available. Please tell me exactly what procedure is followed in allotting berths.I asked for a combination of LB, UB, LB, UB at the PRS. But the booking clerk said only SL, SU, UB and UB was available. There were 29 seats available in 2 AC of Danapur express. Isn't it surprising that even though 29 seats were available, the computer showed that no combination of my preference i.e. UB, LB, UB, LB was available. Two intermediate berths, both lower berths, were not made available to us. Hence I want to know how this system of allotment works. Will LB become available if I purchase the tickets separately? Please shed some light on this issue.
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If they say that it is not available then it must be so.
Whenever people book tickets, their first preference is lower berth and then the upper berth. Lower berth being convenient and upper being available for sleeping the whole day. This is my understanding.

May be the experts here like Beach or Steven_bar can tell you more details.

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Hi Newton,

the railway reservation system works on such a software that gives preference to senior citizens and ladies for lower birth.

and also tries to allot berth in the same coach of a single PNR no.
This system is effective. If the lower berths are not filled with senior citizens or ladies then after a certain time period it allots them to general passengers.
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My parents are also travelling with me and both of them are senior citizens. In spite of that the booking clerk told me that only one of them could be given lower berth and that too a side lower berth. Are the tickets issued serially like 1, 2, 3, 4 if requisition for reservation for 4 passengers are given. Suppose the seats up to berth no.25 has been sold and now if a person seeks a lower berth, will he get berth no. 27 which is the next lower berth in order skipping berth nos 26 or will he be told that only an upper berth i.e. berth no. 26 is available for him. Suppose two senior citizens ask for two lower berths on the same PNR, will they be given berth nos. 27 and 31, both lower berths, skipping all the intermediate berths or will they be told that only one upper and one lower are available for them i.e. berth nos. 27 and 28 are available for them.
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Originally Posted by Newton View Post 1. Are the tickets issued serially like 1, 2, 3, 4 if requisition for reservation for 4 passengers are given?

2. will they be given berth nos. 27 and 31, both lower berths, skipping all the intermediate berths?
1. No.
2. Yes.

In your case may be the lower berths were already sold our earlier to your requisition...
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Usually friendly co-passengers cooperate with elderly people and don't mind exchanging their lower berths with the upper or middle berth of a senior co-passenger. That has been my experience. But you never know who you might be travelling with and how cooperative they will be.
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I think it might also depend on the stations that you are traveling. If it is from intermediate station then I think quota might come into play.
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Yes, this seems to be what has happened in my case. Thanks for your helpful reply.
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The IR seat allotment logic and quota system is quite complex.

In a regular non-LHB AC2 coach, this is how it goes.

Total seats - 48
Lower berths: 16
Side lower: 08

Side lower reserved for RAC: 2
Lower berth quota for Senior citizens: Not sure, but should be around 4
Tatkal Quota seats (mix of all): about 12-16
HO Quota and other quotas also lower Lower berths.
Lower/side lower reserved for Remote Location/Pooled Quota: varies,

That would leave less than 10 lower/side lower berths available for General booking, i.e booking for a journey starting from the train originating station.

As can be seen the availability is much less and demand for Lower berths is high.

Then the system should allot seats close to one another for people on a PNR.

All these make it very difficult to get seats close to each other or consecutive numbers.
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Originally Posted by narendra.d View Post The IR seat allotment logic and quota system is quite complex.

In a regular non-LHB AC2 coach, this is how it goes.

Total seats - 48
Lower berths: 16
Side lower: 08

Side lower reserved for RAC: 2
Lower berth quota for Senior citizens: Not sure, but should be around 4
Tatkal Quota seats (mix of all): about 12-16
HO Quota and other quotas also lower Lower berths.
Lower/side lower reserved for Remote Location/Pooled Quota: varies,

That would leave less than 10 lower/side lower berths available for General booking, i.e booking for a journey starting from the train originating station.

As can be seen the availability is much less and demand for Lower berths is high.

Then the system should allot seats close to one another for people on a PNR.

All these make it very difficult to get seats close to each other or consecutive numbers.
Your explanation gives a deep insight into this complex system. Thank you so much sir for this extremely helpful explanation. As for Danapur Express, so far as I have seen there are 49 seats in 2 AC coaches reserved for the general category. (There is an HA coach, an A coach and an AB coach in Danapur Express.) Now 24 to 25 berths are either lower berths or side lower berths. Now some of the side lower berths are for issuing RAC tickets. Now when I went to purchase the tickets, 20 seats had already been reserved and there were 29 seats left. Presumably 90% of these already reserved berths are lower or side lower berths. May be it is because of this that I have not got berths of my choice.
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Originally Posted by narendra.d View Post The IR seat allotment logic and quota system is quite complex.

In a regular non-LHB AC2 coach, this is how it goes.

Total seats - 48
Lower berths: 16
Side lower: 08

Side lower reserved for RAC: 2
Lower berth quota for Senior citizens: Not sure, but should be around 4
Tatkal Quota seats (mix of all): about 12-16
46 berths in a non-LHB coach

Lower berths 1 & 3 are used for RAC passengers in 2A (side lower berths are used for RAC in 3A and SL)

I've noticed 1 & 3 being used for RAC at least 4 times, theough now I think of it, I also remember a friend getting berth 1 when he booked via the lower berth quota, nothing's ever simple on Indian Railways.

That seems like a very high number of Tatkal seats, (though I am aware that the number of Tatkal sseats is very often disproportunate to the number of general quota berths, just Indian Railways own way of extracting extra money) I'm assuming we're working on the basis of a single 2A carriage, and in Newton's reply, he indicates there is also an HA carriage and a BA carriage (not sure how many 2A berths, I'll assume 24, as there's at least 49 in the general quota, there must be a full 2A carriage, so a minimum or 46 & 20 & 24 = 90, berths, and the Tatkal number for this train in 2A is 12.
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Originally Posted by steven_ber View Post 46 berths in a non-LHB coach

Lower berths 1 & 3 are used for RAC passengers in 2A (side lower berths are used for RAC in 3A and SL)

I've noticed 1 & 3 being used for RAC at least 4 times, theough now I think of it, I also remember a friend getting berth 1 when he booked via the lower berth quota, nothing's ever simple on Indian Railways.

That seems like a very high number of Tatkal seats, (though I am aware that the number of Tatkal sseats is very often disproportunate to the number of general quota berths, just Indian Railways own way of extracting extra money) I'm assuming we're working on the basis of a single 2A carriage, and in Newton's reply, he indicates there is also an HA carriage and a BA carriage (not sure how many 2A berths, I'll assume 24, as there's at least 49 in the general quota, there must be a full 2A carriage, so a minimum or 46 & 20 & 24 = 90, berths, and the Tatkal number for this train in 2A is 12.
Thank you so much sir. Here I am trying to give all the data that I have been able to collect about the number of berths in 2 AC of Danapur Express. Please correct me if I am wrong. There are 20 berths in an HA coach, 24 berths in an AB coach and 46 berths in an A coach. So there is a total of 90 berths in 2 AC of Danapur Express. And the indianrail.gov.in website shows that in Danapur Express there are 20 tickets in 2 AC for Tatkal quota, 4 seats in Lower Berth Quota and as I have said 49 berths in General Quota.
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@Newton and @Steven: Sorry for the errors/inconsistencies.

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Originally Posted by steven_ber View Post 46 berths in a non-LHB coach
I was unsure because I had seen 46, 48, 52 (LHB)as well. Here it says 48. I would rather believe you than wiki as far as IR.

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Lower berths 1 & 3 are used for RAC passengers in 2A (side lower berths are used for RAC in 3A and SL)

I've noticed 1 & 3 being used for RAC at least 4 times, theough now I think of it, I also remember a friend getting berth 1 when he booked via the lower berth quota, nothing's ever simple on Indian Railways.
Thanks, always though, Side lower were for RAC.

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That seems like a very high number of Tatkal seats, (though I am aware that the number of Tatkal seats is very often disproportionate to the number of general quota berths, just Indian Railways own way of extracting extra money) I'm assuming we're working on the basis of a single 2A carriage, and in Newton's reply, he indicates there is also an HA carriage and a BA carriage (not sure how many 2A berths, I'll assume 24, as there's at least 49 in the general quota, there must be a full 2A carriage, so a minimum or 46 & 20 & 24 = 90, berths, and the Tatkal number for this train in 2A is 12.
Yes, explanation for One AC2 coach only and not specific to the train the OP is referring to. Of course a lot will change when the coaches increase or Dual class coaches like HA or BA are involved.

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