Donating clothes

Nick-H · Apr 13th, 2008, 14:13

This seems to be a bit confused.

If a business says they will give something to charity, and, instead, they sell it and pocket the money, that is plain, thieving, fraudulent dishonesty. Be pissed off! (but only for a few minutes, and then forget it

).

If an individual sells, or passes on, their gift, that is their right. As I learnt the lesson: A gift given with strings attached is no gift at all. This philosophy also frees us from keeping all those revolting things in cupboards that "we can't throw away because so-and-so gave it to us".

The fix for money lost on hotels, retreats, holidays, whatever is --- travel insurance!

ananda2193 · Apr 13th, 2008, 18:46

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Originally Posted by YogaGal

uh, yeah. why would I claim otherwise? if I gave it away, it's gone. end of story.

uh, no. once it's gone, it's gone. why would I be attached to it? unless you want to go through the trouble of hiring a lawyer, suing to get it back, etc. and how would you know the head of the charity pockets it anyway? like that is common knowledge? like they announce it?

American Airlines in the US has cancelled over 1000 flights in the last week in order to check out wiring on certain planes. the husband of a friend was supposed to fly out to a spiritual retreat. he can't get there now. the retreat center is keeping the $700 he paid for the retreat, no refunds. he thinks it will
be bad karma if he argues with the them to try to get his money back. what is he supposed to do? cry about it? get upset about something he has no control over?

why? will you not be able to pay your rent because of those couple of bucks? you won't be able to eat, to buy food? once you gave your clothes away, they're gone. the organization can do whatever they want with them -- either sell them or throw them in the alley. why be attached to old clothes that you gave away anyway? can you do anything about it? so why be upset?

I don't get your arguements!

Your damn right I would go to the police if I gave alot of money to a charity that was stealing my money that was meant for the needy! I would prosecute them to the fullest and stop them from conning anymore people. If this scenario were for real, and it happens at many charities, then how many other people and $1000's was a person like this making from people who gave with their heart. Of course this kind of fraud HAS to be stopped by any means!
As far as how would I know if this person was stealing the money, it's not easy, but you could investigate alittle if your suspicious. But my post was just a hypothetical response to Dhans for christs sake.

About your friend missing his retreat because of a missed plane has nothing to do with what I'm saying. No one gives refunds because you missed your plane. It's not their problem. Theres no fraud involved.Every buissness has a cancelation policy. But pocketing money or profits from donated items meant for someone else is!

I'll let Opo defend herself if she want's, but she gave the clothes to a consignment shop, not a charity and they said, if your read it that some clothes they weren't interested in but they would happily give them to goodwill. Which they didn't. They were trying to sell them. I know I would be pissed that they lied and kept them for themselves. Wouldn't you?

If not, would you like to make a donation for my cause?

traveller.1 · Apr 13th, 2008, 19:33

Guys I think you are forgetting an important distinction. When one gives to a charity that is supposed to use it for some specific good, then the gift is not really to the charity but to the intended reciepient. The charity is simply the agent. If that charity does not execute its responsibility and keeps the donation for itself, then yes you should be agrieved.

When one gives to the poor, beggar, he is the intended reciepient and may do as he pleases including selling the item.

ananda2193 · Apr 13th, 2008, 20:14

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Originally Posted by traveller.1

Guys I think you are forgetting an important distinction. When one gives to a charity that is supposed to use it for some specific good, then the gift is not really to the charity but to the intended reciepient. The charity is simply the agent. If that charity does not execute its responsibility and keeps the donation for itself, then yes you should be agrieved.

Of course, that's what I already said.

But enough from me on this subject. I think I've made my thoughts known.

capt_mahajan · Apr 13th, 2008, 20:24

We give to the help at home.

And we keep a bundle in the car, and give to beggars or sometimes destitute people on the pavement. Even if these guys sell, they may directly benefit somewhat - functionaries of charities selling second hand clothes would be a major irritant to us.

Or at least that is what we think anyway.

the opoponax · Apr 13th, 2008, 21:57

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Be pissed off! (but only for a few minutes, and then forget it ).

Yeah, that's about how I felt about it.

"Hey! That was supposed to go to Goodwill!" Then I got over it and moved on.

irfan.in.tx · Apr 13th, 2008, 22:46

The issue with donating old clothes in India is that the clothes have to be appropriate for the social milieu of the recipient.

If you donate western clothes to poorer people, chances are good that they will not be able to use them. Your maid is not going to come out of her shack in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt that you donated, and be subject to unwanted attention and ridicule. Likewise with men's clothes, though it is not as serious. Small children can get away with wearing discarded children's clothing that does not conform to their social class/milieu. However, older children, especially girls, would have the same problem.

If you donate used clothing that the recipient finds appropriate, it is likely to be used. Else, the recipient will benefit from your donation by converting it to cash.

Apr 13th, 2008, 14:13	#16
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 24,220	This seems to be a bit confused. If a business says they will give something to charity, and, instead, they sell it and pocket the money, that is plain, thieving, fraudulent dishonesty. Be pissed off! (but only for a few minutes, and then forget it ). If an individual sells, or passes on, their gift, that is their right. As I learnt the lesson: A gift given with strings attached is no gift at all. This philosophy also frees us from keeping all those revolting things in cupboards that "we can't throw away because so-and-so gave it to us". The fix for money lost on hotels, retreats, holidays, whatever is --- travel insurance! __________________ . IndiaMike Mod Team (The Grumpy One)

Apr 13th, 2008, 20:24	#20
capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 8,723	We give to the help at home. And we keep a bundle in the car, and give to beggars or sometimes destitute people on the pavement. Even if these guys sell, they may directly benefit somewhat - functionaries of charities selling second hand clothes would be a major irritant to us. Or at least that is what we think anyway. __________________ . The cynic must remember that he is a spy (Epitectus) Indiamike moderating team ..ich bin ein oneliner

Apr 13th, 2008, 22:46	#22
irfan.in.tx Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Spring, TX, USA Posts: 13	Donated clothes have to be appropriate The issue with donating old clothes in India is that the clothes have to be appropriate for the social milieu of the recipient. If you donate western clothes to poorer people, chances are good that they will not be able to use them. Your maid is not going to come out of her shack in a pair of jeans and a t-shirt that you donated, and be subject to unwanted attention and ridicule. Likewise with men's clothes, though it is not as serious. Small children can get away with wearing discarded children's clothing that does not conform to their social class/milieu. However, older children, especially girls, would have the same problem. If you donate used clothing that the recipient finds appropriate, it is likely to be used. Else, the recipient will benefit from your donation by converting it to cash.

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traveller.1 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 49	Guys I think you are forgetting an important distinction. When one gives to a charity that is supposed to use it for some specific good, then the gift is not really to the charity but to the intended reciepient. The charity is simply the agent. If that charity does not execute its responsibility and keeps the donation for itself, then yes you should be agrieved. When one gives to the poor, beggar, he is the intended reciepient and may do as he pleases including selling the item.

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