Young family looking to shift & settle in Uttranchal - seek your advice

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#1381 Oct 31st, 2017, 01:31
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I have been to the first house. It is quite big, and is a british villa from 1850.


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Originally Posted by srb810 View Post It looks small, but you will require atlease one Nali of land to construct any one of these cottages.... these are quite expensive to build also....
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LDA ban

I don’t know if you guys are aware:

A few months ago, Honourable High court had passed a ruling banning all new construction in the Lake District, upto 2 kilometers as the crow flies.
This criteria of not allowing construction upto 2 kilometres from the lakes of Nainital, Bhimtal etc has caused lot of distress in the property market. Prices in Areas like Sat taal where land price was being quoted as per the whims and fancies of land owner, upto 12 lakh per nalli, have crashed. I have heard land is now being offered @2 lakh also. Because you can not build there, lot of land bought there for investment has come under stress.
There was a hearing on this in October. I am not sure what happened.
I am happy with the above ruling, despite the fact that I am also hunting for land there. While people are saying that the 2 km by air criteria for ban is arbitrary and it should be something like 200 meters from the land, the truth is that the only way to measure correct effective distance in these matters is by air, owing to the fact that you could be just behind a ridge and still 14 kilometres away by road. (So people will built just next to the lake and say they are 7 kilometres away from the lake by road).
This ban has also jeopardised my plans because 2 kilometres by air covers a lot. (From Nainital to Jeolikot perhaps, in one instance, Or from Bhimtal to across Jungaliya Village, God knows what distance but quite a lot)
It appears that like always, land mafia may win or loopholes are found to manipulate the system or maybe Govt wants some money from builders, only God knows, but I welcome the ruling.
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Sorry double post, pls delete.
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Also, does anyone know about RERA coming to Uttarakhand? A man told me in Mukteshwar recently that state govt has been given an year to implement it. I don’t know what the implications are but he said the limit on land purchase will be 5000 sq ft which is much more than current 1.25 nalli sealing.
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A bit on my land search till now, in Kumaun.
I have seen numerous properties in the last one year. Have been to Kumaun thrice in last 2 months just for this. Have seen land in most places in Nainital district.

My search started with lot of romanticism. Which is basically, “great view and location minus practicalities”. So land on top of a ridge, next to a river, inside a forest etc.
Slowly and steadily, i mellowed down and started looking at the practical side. So yes, 1) availability of water and then electricity 2) Road 3) weather, not freezing cold not very hot (so Mukteshwar is out for example) 4. One and half hours max from plains/railhead/airport 5. Flat land preferably 6. Direction of land, north facing No 7. Bottomed out valley No 8. Top of a ridge with 360 degree view No
And other things Mr. Rawat has pointed out before.

I have been able to see some good stuff. The land I am considering is 1800+ meters, everything else a tick box too. Only problem is it’s bang on the road, though not a state highway, which is preferable to some in the family and not to the others.
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Originally Posted by nandadevieast View Post I don’t know if you guys are aware:

A few months ago, Honourable High court had passed a ruling banning all new construction in the Lake District, upto 2 kilometers as the crow flies.
This criteria of not allowing construction upto 2 kilometres from the lakes of Nainital, Bhimtal etc has caused lot of distress in the property market. Prices in Areas like Sat taal where land price was being quoted as per the whims and fancies of land owner, upto 12 lakh per nalli, have crashed. I have heard land is now being offered @2 lakh also. Because you can not build there, lot of land bought there for investment has come under stress.
There was a hearing on this in October. I am not sure what happened.
I am happy with the above ruling, despite the fact that I am also hunting for land there. While people are saying that the 2 km by air criteria for ban is arbitrary and it should be something like 200 meters from the land, the truth is that the only way to measure correct effective distance in these matters is by air, owing to the fact that you could be just behind a ridge and still 14 kilometres away by road. (So people will built just next to the lake and say they are 7 kilometres away from the lake by road).
This ban has also jeopardised my plans because 2 kilometres by air covers a lot. (From Nainital to Jeolikot perhaps, in one instance, Or from Bhimtal to across Jungaliya Village, God knows what distance but quite a lot)
It appears that like always, land mafia may win or loopholes are found to manipulate the system or maybe Govt wants some money from builders, only God knows, but I welcome the ruling.
Ban in Nainital town has been in place for many years, I believe. But, if it has been extended to areas near all lakes, it is awesome news for me. Do you know anyone who is offering land at that low prices in good locations? I don't mind no construction clause.
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If NEERI says Ok, then construction can go on, people will find ways to construct. Almost 80% of all constructions in India, including Nainital are in some ways illegal and would not have happened if existing laws were followed, or proper laws made in the first place with regard to town and village planning.
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Originally Posted by jituyadav View Post If NEERI says Ok, then construction can go on, people will find ways to construct. Almost 80% of all constructions in India, including Nainital are in some ways illegal and would not have happened if existing laws were followed, or proper laws made in the first place with regard to town and village planning.
That's exactly the bet I'm willing to take, when I said it'd be awesome if people are selling in panic.

Also, if wants to absolutely stay within the laws, there are workarounds that can be exploited. Like, one can construct a wooden house, with no concrete, where construction is banned. A wooden structure is not considered a 'construction' by law. In-fact, no permission is required to construct a wooden house on your land. A good wooden house can be as safe as a concrete house, if designed properly, and better, in many other aspects, except higher initial one-off cost.
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Originally Posted by nandadevieast View Post Sharna/Guniyalrkh side? Or towards Matial/Chanfi?
Sarna, exactly !!

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Originally Posted by nandadevieast View Post I don’t know if you guys are aware:

A few months ago, Honourable High court had passed a ruling banning all new construction in the Lake District, upto 2 kilometers as the crow flies.
This criteria of not allowing construction upto 2 kilometres from the lakes of Nainital, Bhimtal etc has caused lot of distress in the property market. Prices in Areas like Sat taal where land price was being quoted as per the whims and fancies of land owner, upto 12 lakh per nalli, have crashed. I have heard land is now being offered @2 lakh also. Because you can not build there, lot of land bought there for investment has come under stress. .....
Great news.!!! Consider me as an partner in your search. Ready to join in on a good deal.


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Originally Posted by the_blue_bharal View Post That's exactly the bet I'm willing to take, when I said it'd be awesome if people are selling in panic.

Also, if wants to absolutely stay within the laws, there are workarounds that can be exploited. Like, one can construct a wooden house, with no concrete, where construction is banned. A wooden structure is not considered a 'construction' by law. In-fact, no permission is required to construct a wooden house on your land. A good wooden house can be as safe as a concrete house, if designed properly, and better, in many other aspects, except higher initial one-off cost.
Nice and innovative idea.!! How about mud houses? And pre -fab houses?
I am not perfect !!! So bear with me. I will get quite bearable with time !!
#1391 Oct 31st, 2017, 21:29
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Originally Posted by nandadevieast View Post A bit on my land search till now, in Kumaun.
I have seen numerous properties in the last one year. Have been to Kumaun thrice in last 2 months just for this. Have seen land in most places in Nainital district.

My search started with lot of romanticism. Which is basically, “great view and location minus practicalities”. So land on top of a ridge, next to a river, inside a forest etc.
Slowly and steadily, i mellowed down and started looking at the practical side. So yes, 1) availability of water and then electricity 2) Road 3) weather, not freezing cold not very hot (so Mukteshwar is out for example) 4. One and half hours max from plains/railhead/airport 5. Flat land preferably 6. Direction of land, north facing No 7. Bottomed out valley No 8. Top of a ridge with 360 degree view No
And other things Mr. Rawat has pointed out before.

I have been able to see some good stuff. The land I am considering is 1800+ meters, everything else a tick box too. Only problem is it’s bang on the road, though not a state highway, which is preferable to some in the family and not to the others.
Tell us more about this land. I have been upto Sarna and Bibyad , beyond Gunialekh. That region is excellent in all such respects.
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Originally Posted by RRAWAT View Post Tell us more about this land. I have been upto Sarna and Bibyad , beyond Gunialekh. That region is excellent in all such respects.
Kindly consider me in too, if you find a such place within the said range
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Hi All,

Please let me know if anyone of you have explored Chaukori or Berinag in terms of purchase of land.

The place is beautiful and has nice people. Kindly share your inputs and thoughts.

Thanks,
GM
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Yess..the place chaukori had a big ship floating in front of the mountains...nice view!!
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That ship shaped building is the single worst piece of architecture I have seen in my life.
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