Young family looking to shift & settle in Uttranchal - seek your advice

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Hi @jituyadav - this is just a great form that brings in persons with similar ideologies together - it was great on part of jituyadav to alight from his car while on his way to Ramnagar and introduce himself while I was just coming out of my pad at Ranikhet - I really appreciate his gesture and had an opportunity to meet one from the forum personally - thanks jituyadav for your kind gesture
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Originally Posted by rajatchakraborty View Post Here are few photographs of the Thermocol sandwiched Concrete wall and house.
Is insulation about keeping the cold and damp out, or the heat and dry in?

If it's the latter, then what is the source of the heat? Where does one want that heat... In all rooms or one room. Does one need to heat a bedroom /s.. when an electric under blanket will heat a bed, easier still are a warm dog or several.

Interior tricks like thick curtaining...doors, windows, blocking all draughts, false ceiling, wall coverings, rugs and so on, go a very long way in warming the interior. Providing the heat source is well placed and its flue has as longer run as possible before it penetrates to the outside.

Can't beat a Bukhari, or alternatively a Rocket mass heater if fuel supply is more limited.
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Originally Posted by RRAWAT View Post Contrary to popular belief, thermocole is not a very gpod insulator. At least 4 inch thickness is requured for basic insulation. Even more in extreme climates. In fact wood and mud are better insulators. In addition it is an extreme fire hazard and the resultant smoke is highly toxic. Using clay instead of it would provide similar insulation, save lot of money and shall be fire- safe. But it's near impossible to change people's mind set.

Unbaked mud walls are the ideal solution. 1 foot thick mud walls, embedded wirh straw and other fibres and an inch thich layer of concrete plastered over it. This concrete can be later coted with tiles or water proof cement paint to make it impervious to rains. I recently saw this being used extensively in Leh. Huge hotels have been built like this there. The floor , ceiling and columns are in RCC but the walls are imade of unbaked mud bricks and are later plastered with cement These remain quite tolerable in the extreme cold of that region. It will increase some covered area though.
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We have had mud walls in our ancestral house in Kashmir. It was fine clay mixed with some fine cut grass-hay fibers. This is natural aircon as it keeps summers cold and winters warm.. But we never had concrete layer.. does it really bind together - i mean mud with concrete... I don't think it will hold together..
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Originally Posted by srb810 View Post Hi @jituyadav - this is just a great form that brings in persons with similar ideologies together - it was great on part of jituyadav to alight from his car while on his way to Ramnagar and introduce himself while I was just coming out of my pad at Ranikhet - I really appreciate his gesture and had an opportunity to meet one from the forum personally - thanks jituyadav for your kind gesture
Thats not fair !!....What about us !!!

Mike and I have stopped by your house 3 times, thouroughly inspected it from top to bottom, talked to your neighbour and took so many pics there.

We also had so many deep and wise conversations there. Couldn't meet you there in person, though.
I am not perfect !!! So bear with me. I will get quite bearable with time !!
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We have had mud walls in our ancestral house in Kashmir. It was fine clay mixed with some fine cut grass-hay fibers. This is natural aircon as it keeps summers cold and winters warm.. But we never had concrete layer.. does it really bind together - i mean mud with concrete... I don't think it will hold together..
Yes, it is possible.
I have a friend from Himanchal who owns exactly such a house. Load bearing mud brick walls fully plastered with cement on the exterior and half height on the interior. Dry mud walls can hold plaster with some effort. Fibre mesh or wire mesh base can also help.
I also saw some such houses in Leh.
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Thank you, I just got down and shook hands, not a very worthy contender of such strong appreciation

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Originally Posted by RRAWAT View Post I have a friend from Himanchal who owns exactly such a house. Load bearing mud brick walls fully plastered with cement on the exterior and half height on the interior.
That is interesting, but direct plastering seems difficult. I think there has to be a liquid cement coat so that bricks absorb the cement, then drying process, and then plastering with cement. Please ask your friend about the procedure.

Also, is plaster cured or left to dry immediately? If it is cured, it will damage the mud bricks and later the plaster due to expansion gaps, if not, the plaster may not be as strong.
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Originally Posted by jituyadav View Post That is interesting, but direct plastering seems difficult. I think there has to be a liquid cement coat so that bricks absorb the cement, then drying process, and then plastering with cement. Please ask your friend about the procedure.

Also, is plaster cured or left to dry immediately? If it is cured, it will damage the mud bricks and later the plaster due to expansion gaps, if not, the plaster may not be as strong.
I have already entrusted him with this task on his next visit home. I think the solution should be as follows:-

The walls are upto 1.5 foot thick. Exactly as you pointed out, some cement slurry is applied to dried mud wall. On hardenening a thin layer of plaster is applied. Just enough water as needed for curing is applied, no more. Not like the unlimited water shower bath in a typical concrete constructuon. Since the mud wall is quite thick it should absorb that much moisture without losing much strength. According to him, this process is repeated for quite some years, finally resulting in a sufficiently thick cement plaster.

Since it rains there nearly as much in Uttarakhand, the roof overhangs are kept quite large. I think applying a waterproof exterior paint will also help a lot.
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I wish to run a Home Stay in Uttrakhand. May be of 6-8 rooms or so. I am non-uttrakhandi originally from Kashmir but settled in Delhi for more than 20 years now. Can I along with my brother buy bigger land for this purpose. This will be my retirement plan..
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Originally Posted by skak68 View Post I wish to run a Home Stay in Uttrakhand. May be of 6-8 rooms or so. I am non-uttrakhandi originally from Kashmir but settled in Delhi for more than 20 years now. Can I along with my brother buy bigger land for this purpose. This will be my retirement plan..
You can incorporate a company for the purpose and then you will be able to buy bigger land...
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Originally Posted by srb810 View Post You can incorporate a company for the purpose and then you will be able to buy bigger land...
Can you make bit more detail please
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A few plots of 1.25 nali each are available with me. Attached to road. Water, electricity, parking at doorstep. Markets are within 2-3 kms. Elevation is 1700 m (5500ft) and it snows in winter. The location is at Mohanari, near Reechi and above Bhatrojkhan. It is on the Ramnagar - Ranikhet Highway; about 55 kms from Ramnagar and 25 kms from Ranikhet.

I have bought a much bigger plot there and am going to settle there soon myself. Interested in group living !!- PM me.
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Originally Posted by RRAWAT View Post A few plots of 1.25 nali each are available with me. Attached to road. Water, electricity, parking at doorstep. Markets are within 2-3 kms. Elevation is 1700 m (5500ft) and it snows in winter. The location is at Mohanari, near Reechi and above Bhatrojkhan. It is on the Ramnagar - Ranikhet Highway; about 55 kms from Ramnagar and 25 kms from Ranikhet.

I have bought a much bigger plot there and am going to settle there soon myself. Interested in group living !!- PM me.

Dear Rawat Ji

I have been following this thread for a long time, and did not post any message in this thread because I was never serious till now about settling down in the hils.
I am a mountain lover too and I know now that I will eventually settle down in the hills. I have been traveling a lot to the hils in the past 20 years. I have prefered to go to Himachal because of the better connectivity, better Internet, and better overall infrastructure. I even ran a Computer Store in Manali for 3 years.
The land prices in Himachal specially near Manali have sky-rocketed and it is not easy for outsiders to get land registered in their names even after that.
I have some very close friends who own a lot of land in Munsiari for over 15 years now and are settled there. Because of the high land prices in Himachal, I am now open to look for land in Utranachal. I would ideally want a 500sq mtr plot or 2.5 Nalis near a running water sream, and over 2000mtrs elivation. Do let me know more about the land you have, and if possible post some pictures. It will be helpful if you can post the geo location so that we can look up on google maps.

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Originally Posted by Styler View Post would ideally want a 500sq mtr plot or 2.5 Nalis near a running water sream, and over 2000mtrs elivation.
Why in the snowline above 2000m?
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