Young family looking to shift & settle in Uttranchal - seek your advice

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#781 Sep 27th, 2016, 09:33
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Originally Posted by mike123 View Post Hi Aditya,

Nice to see your post. Where were you people staying in Majhkhali for 3 months? Was it a rented place, guest house, holiday home or friends place? I am also eager to get some place for me in that area. It may be on rent or direct purchase. You have mentioned that many people want to sell/ rent their holiday homes in hills, pls let me know how to connect with them.

Also, please let me know how are you planning to go for the next steps? I am sincerely looking for a place.

Rawat ji and me are planning to go for house hunting trip in coming month. Your suggestions are welcome and we will be more then happy if you/ any one interested to join.

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People surely are willing to sell their holiday homes. But the prices are inflated, just because they had themselves purchased these properties at highly inflated rates during the peak periods. I, myself, know someone who purchased a small villa, with no surrounding land, in Bhowali for 20 lakhs 5 years back, and now selling for 26 lakhs.
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Originally Posted by Gokul Mehra View Post Hey Aditya,

Very crisp thoughts I would say. Anyone who has travelled to these places to investigate can for sure understands.

I don't have an entrepreneur experience or insights but I agree with you on the opportunities you have specified on the blog. I would love to partner with someone in the Skill development/ upgrading part which will lead to resourcing for the companies.

I think of it as an idea to give back to the society, keeping your mind engaged and earning your 3 course meal. Let me know if you have something in mind to do it or you encounter someone with similar plan.

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That's a noble thought. Once I move there, even I would like to get associated with something that helps improve the lives of the people living there. A good starting point would be to get involved with someone's existing initiative first and slowly branch off from there. This requires being there for some initial duration at least.

Let's stay in touch and I'll keep you updated on this front.
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Originally Posted by mike123 View Post Hi Aditya,

Nice to see your post. Where were you people staying in Majhkhali for 3 months? Was it a rented place, guest house, holiday home or friends place? I am also eager to get some place for me in that area. It may be on rent or direct purchase. You have mentioned that many people want to sell/ rent their holiday homes in hills, pls let me know how to connect with them.

Also, please let me know how are you planning to go for the next steps? I am sincerely looking for a place.

Rawat ji and me are planning to go for house hunting trip in coming month. Your suggestions are welcome and we will be more then happy if you/ any one interested to join.

Warm Regards
We found a holiday home through Airbnb for 2 weeks and then checked around locally to rent another one for 3 months.

To find the best places to rent/buy, IMO you need to stay there for a few days at least. Then it's a matter of connecting with people, being genuine & friendly and you'll get to know most of the options there. Of course, be wise enough to know with whom to talk and how much information to share initially. (Edit - You can also search on 99acres for Majkhali. You'll find at least 2 holiday homes for sale listed there right now. )

All the best for your search!

P.S. I've replied to your PM.
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That's a really cheering experience. And I always thought that software and online jobs are ideally suited for that region.
I agree Rawatji. Software & other online jobs can easily be done from most places. It is a mainly a question of changing our mindset.

If we think only 5 or 6 big metros can help take our country forward and provide jobs to the majority of people, then that will lead to overcrowding, utter chaos & inequality we see in our big cities. We need to develop as many areas as possible and provide more opportunities in the smaller towns.
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Sure Aditya and RRawat. Will find out.
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Originally Posted by aditya.b View Post Similarly, I don't know how many towns in the hills have any sort of waste management system in place. Most people simply burn it. I don't expect government to solve this issue any time soon and a venture in this space would be a great contribution to the society and also make money.
Makes me happy that you have brought this up, highly appreciate the thoughts. However, forget about making money, that is not going to happen. You will be lucky if you get to change the mindset and habits after spending money from your pocket and creating whole infrastructure of waste management. If we ever have a chance to interact in person, this will be for sure discussed in detail.

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Originally Posted by aditya.b View Post Among the many benefits of living in this region permanently, we hadn't thought of this one (duh!) - we could travel to beautiful places much more frequently now.
One of the great joys of living in hills, visit beautiful places, or just go for a drive, never got lassitude or dull doing this leisure activity.
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Originally Posted by jituyadav View Post Makes me happy that you have brought this up, highly appreciate the thoughts. However, forget about making money, that is not going to happen. You will be lucky if you get to change the mindset and habits after spending money from your pocket and creating whole infrastructure of waste management. If we ever have a chance to interact in person, this will be for sure discussed in detail.
I agree it requires a huge mindset change. Sure, I'll try to catch up with you Jituji during our next stint there (hopefully in winter).

On a related note, are you aware if the 'Waste Processing Site' near Golf Course actually functions or not? We were happily dumping our non-food waste in the bins near Golf Course assuming it was picked up for this site. The assumption was that since no garbage was piling up there so someone was emptying/cleaning them on a regular basis.

However on the last day, we actually saw it was being burnt in that brick enclosure that doubles up as a bin. Not sure if it happened only on that day or if that was the regular practice. I was counting this waste processing site as one of the advantages of this region, but now I am not that sure about it.
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Originally Posted by aditya.b View Post On a related note, are you aware if the 'Waste Processing Site' near Golf Course actually functions or not?
I don't know, but I doubt they would be having a proper waste processing mechanism. The waste must be sent to dumping ground or burnt.

You have brought up a good point though, I will go and inquire. In the meantime, if anyone can provide information about waste processing by cantonment board, it would be really helpful.

In hills the problem of waste has already taken mammoth proportion. There is no system in place and people have no option but to burn or dump waste anywhere, both highly damaging to environment, sad.
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In the village I have built the home in, this problem is evident. Although I make it a point to burn inorganic waste and put the organic ones in a pit in the forest, but the Government has to develop some mechanism in every village, in pursuance of 'Swacch Bharat Abhiyan', I too will take up the issue with the Gram Pradan next time I visit the place.
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That's a really cheering experience. And I always thought that software and online jobs are ideally suited for that region.
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Originally Posted by aditya.b View Post I agree Rawatji. Software & other online jobs can easily be done from most places. It is a mainly a question of changing our mindset.
I am very supportive of the direction of thoughts Aditya and others have expressed but wonder if it is simply a question of changing the mindset. In software and technology field, there is a minor question of the web-infrastructure.

I do not know the internet provider where you are considering but I know a bit about the situation at Haridwar. In order to FaceTime with us, my parents have one of the higher end landline broadband packages with BSNL. And, forgetting the bandwidth - the reliability itself is very poor. I wouldn't consider it remotely near a level where it can sustain a substantial software enterprise. I suspect this issue only gets worse as one goes up into the mountains.

Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by srb810 View Post In the village I have built the home in, this problem is evident. Although I make it a point to burn inorganic waste and put the organic ones in a pit in the forest, but the Government has to develop some mechanism in every village, in pursuance of 'Swacch Bharat Abhiyan', I too will take up the issue with the Gram Pradan next time I visit the place.
What do you call "inorganic" waste?

Some organic wastes also need to be disposed of properly instead of burial. Here in the U.S. there are stiff penalties for releasing automotive lubricants and coolants such as motor/engine oil, transmission, power steering fluid or anti-freeze etc into the ground. They have to be collected and taken to collection facilities.
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Originally Posted by srb810 View Post and put the organic ones in a pit in the forest,
Why not at your own place, dig a small hole and put all kitchen / organic waste in that. When that is full, cover it with mud and dig another one. By the time this one is full, the first one will be ready with compost.

In the mean time, grow tomatoes or anything in the first pit, believe me, you would be surprised by the size and quality of organic vegetables. Just one or two tomato plants will produce enough for you.

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Originally Posted by Yaatri View Post Some organic wastes also need to be disposed of properly instead of burial. Here in the U.S. there are stiff penalties for releasing automotive lubricants and coolants such as motor/engine oil, transmission, power steering fluid or anti-freeze etc into the ground. They have to be collected and taken to collection facilities.
Are automotive lubricants, engine oil etc not under hazardous waste? I think at least in California and few other states they are categorised as hazardous waste and not organic waste.

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Originally Posted by kmalik View Post I wouldn't consider it remotely near a level where it can sustain a substantial software enterprise. I suspect this issue only gets worse as one goes up into the mountains.

Just a thought.
Absolutely. Unless one has its own uplink facilities, depending on local providers and starting a business will be suicide. So setting up a small company which has to work on deadlines is not feasible.

The issue does not end here. If any investment is poured, the company will be dependent on limited human resource and will have to compromise on quality of workforce. If some employees leave, there will be no readily available people. On top of that, being dependent on local people, the company will be susceptible to blackmailing and threats from local goons with political connections.

My broadband connections disconnects many times, the speed is slow, sometimes falls below 200 Kbps even though the government has made a minimum speed of 2Mbps on papers.

But the best part, as soon as the weather is bad and there is lightning, the exchange is shut off. Reason, they have no technology to take care of lightning strikes and it has destroyed their equipment on few occasions, including my modem twice.
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Are automotive lubricants, engine oil etc not under hazardous waste? I think at least in California and few other states they are categorised as hazardous waste and not organic waste.
You are quite right. They are consider hazardous material in most states. When talking about inorganic and organic waste, I wasn't sure what the poster meant by inorganic and organic. One obvious definition is based on chemistry.


My intent was not to be pedantic or confrontational but to seek clarification. Automotive fluids was used as just one example. Bug repellents are another category. Is DEET organic or inorganic? What about weed killers?

Excess fertilsers, organic or inorganic too pollute water supply. One simply must specify what kind of waste one is talking about.

Now I think that he used "organic" to mean peelings or fruits and vegetables, coffee grounds, tea leaves, etc.
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Originally Posted by kmalik View Post I do not know the internet provider where you are considering but I know a bit about the situation at Haridwar. In order to FaceTime with us, my parents have one of the higher end landline broadband packages with BSNL. And, forgetting the bandwidth - the reliability itself is very poor. I wouldn't consider it remotely near a level where it can sustain a substantial software enterprise. I suspect this issue only gets worse as one goes up into the mountains.
Absolutely. And it's specially bad if connecting through a mobile tower, I have complained about that elsewhere. BSNL's 3G signal is a joke.
The private cos seem to be better than BSNL, at least in the cities and towns. Absolutely noone I know has a BSNL mobile nowadays; the private cos seem to have reliable 3G signals (most of the time anyway) - the under-30s need it for their surfing.

Your folks could ask around about other people's experiences with private broadband.
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Originally Posted by Yaatri View Post My intent was not to be pedantic or confrontational .
Of course not, and I don't think anyone saw it like that
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