Young family looking to shift & settle in Uttranchal - seek your advice

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#46 Jan 13th, 2014, 08:04
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Hi Prelface and Liveinhimalayas,

Thank your very much for your inputs.

As of now I have listed down my requirements. They are as follows,

1. Water
2. Electricity
3. Schools for my children
4. Hospital
5. Grocery shop
6. Pubilc Transportation (manageble type, basic)
7. Bank, atm (basic facilities)

First four are the primary and important in my list.

Along with my previous options, i am also looking for the bewlo places as an option,

Ramgarh, Kaladhungi, Mukhteshwar, Ranikhet, Almora, Lohaghat, Sitla.

How area the areas near Mussoorie and Dhanaulti, and what about chamba (uttaranchal) ?

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Chamba hass a huge water problem, the water has to be trucked in from a place about 12 kms from Chamba, it does have most of the other facilities you are looking for, but land is scarce within the town and outside town there is not much. Ramgarh, Kaladhungi are again in the foot hills and the summers can be sizzling hot, moreover both these places are very commercial and the price of properties are over the top. This area has been run over by property developers. Ranikhet, Almora are good choices as they have most of the facilities you are looking for. Look in villages that are close to the District Headquarters, where you can pick up land cheaper than within the town, and you can avail the facilities provided by the town without travelling long distances.
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@dilliwala,

Thank you for your informations.

I am born and brought up in mumbai.
My native place is near to Gangolihath-Pithoragarh, but most of our relatives are settled down near kathgodam, Khatima and Bazpur area of Udhamsingh nagar.

If you have any suggestion and adivice, please do let me know.

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Hi LiveinHimalayas,

Can I have your advice on the plaves like,

Dhanaulti
Lohaghat-Champawat
Majhkhali near Ranikhet
Mukhteshwar
Places near Lansdowne
Chakrata-Dehradun
Barkot-Uttarkashi

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Hi Vinod,

Since you have relatives around Kumaon (albeit foothills), I think you should talk to them as well. They should have plenty of contacts in the hills which will help in buying land etc.

I again have to state though that some time spent in scouting around would be time well spent. In fact it is essential.

All that apart -
Almora and surrounds - a good choice IMO.
Pithoragarh town - might be another option, although it takes longer travelling from/to the plains. Similarly Champawat and surrounds.
Mussoorie-Dhanolti stretch - is a possibility, as also Mussoorie-Kempty-Yamuna Pul stretch.
Chakrata - useless to consider other than as a great getaway place.
Chamba town - a dump IMO with nothing to recommend it really.
Barkot - too small to offer you all the essentials.
Near Lansdowne - Kotdwara is ok but in the foothills. If you can find some land between there and Lansdowne, that would be an option.

Generally I agree with livin that you're best off closer to DHQs. Grocery shops will be the least of the issues. Banks are also generally spread far and wide, often available in large villages (roadside). Nothing wrong with relying on public transport for regular stuff, but it's a good idea to have your own vehicle too for exigencies, family trips, etc.
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Hi Dilliwala,

Thanks for your valuable inputs.

I will explore Kotdwar-Lansdowne stretch and see if I can find something interesting.
Also Mussoorie-Kempty-Yamuna pul stretch sounds interesting.

Just I need to check if Water, electricity and schooling is available or not.

Also I need to decide a budget to purchase a land and then build a house. I am to build a house with just basic amenities and requirement, can you or anyone help me to estimate what will be the cost to build a house.

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Originally Posted by Vinodkhati View Post Also Mussoorie-Kempty-Yamuna pul stretch sounds interesting.

Just I need to check if Water, electricity and schooling is available or not.
Schooling at Mussoorie. E.g. Kempty is within 30 mins of Mussoorie.
Oh, I almost forgot - traffic on this stretch is a nightmare during the summer rush.

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Also I need to decide a budget to purchase a land and then build a house. I am to build a house with just basic amenities and requirement, can you or anyone help me to estimate what will be the cost to build a house.
I think here Paleface or livin can advise you better.
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Since your family is from Pithoragarh area I suppose you should look around that area first as you will have the advantage of being a native, and that goes a long way in areas like these. Lohaghat and Champawat are ok no great guns, you will be better off in Almora or Ranikhet, specially where schools are concerned. Your list of facilities is pretty basic and I am afraid you haven't taken into account a lot of things while compiling the list - like what sort of school, how far from decent medical facilities, internet access, entertainment facilities (believe me that is very important with kids) and most of all what are you going to do with your own time?
Uttarkashi is fine Barkot is pretty basic. If you have to chose between the two Uttarkashi would be a better choice. A friend bought a property near yamuna bridge a while back, it was pretty expense three years back, now i believe it will be unaffordable. You have to draw up an estimate of what you want to spend on the property, whether yo uwant to buy something that is already built up of would you prefer to buy a piece of land and then build on your own. Once you have decided let us know as it will be easier to help you then.
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Hi Dilliwala,

Oh Mussoorie will hectic during summers, but the as for overall requirement mussoorie can be a good option and as rightly pointed by Livein that the property rate are soring high at the moment.
If you have any sort of information on Kotdwar-Lansdowne stretch then do let me know.

@Liveinhimalayas:
My family use to stay in Pithoragarh but now everyone has moved down to foothills like kathgodam, khatima, bazpur and rudrapur.
First I explored nainital area, but it was too congested, though I liked jeolikot.
Bhimtal and naukuchiatal are also good option cause they are nearer to nainital but now they are too getiing overloaded by people.

I liked mukhteshwar, kausani but I guess there schooling is a bit problem.

Internet access is important for me, thanks for pointing that out.
Even as entertainment is concerned, I am in a opinion that if you have a TV with limited channels then its ok.. (We will have nature to entertainment us :-), right..!!!)

Hospitals, schools should be in the range of 30-45 mins of drive.

- I am preferring to buy a land and then build a house accordingly with basic facilities (may be 2-3 rooms along with kitchen), giving more space to garden and plantation.
So Livein can you suggest how big land should I look out for and my budget range would be around 15-25 lakhs or less for land, it depends upon the situation.

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With a budget of 15 - 20 lakhs for land, you can forget about any of the larger towns. I reckon you will need at least 2 - 3 nalis of land for a decent sized house and land for garden/ kitchen garden. You wouldn't find any kind of land anywhere within town limits for less than 8-10 lakhs a nali. Now with the no building within 200 mtrs of a river guideline coming into effect, the land has become even scarcer and more expensive. I still suggest you look in outlying villages with road access close to DHQs. What is your budget for the building? In our experience, the cost of construction for a very basic place is about 2.5-3k per sqft. This is because the labour is more expensive, raw material has to be transported in and that eats up a lot of the budget. If you decide to build off the road a few hundred feet, then the cartage from road head has to be done on mules and that adds up to the cost. Then it is very important that you develop the land properly before you build and put in decent retaining walls to secure the building site, the development of land takes up almost 1/3 of the entire cost of construction. So while scouting for land, look at all these aspects. The more retaining walls you have to build the more expensive the project becomes. The farther it is from road head, the more expensive it is to cart everything up.

How old are your kids and what kind of education do you want to give them? There are schools in practically every village, but most of them are not what we would aspire for our children.
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Hi Livein,

I am getting to know a lot of hidden things from this post, it is really helping to open up my mind and look at the broader picture..
Thanking you all once again..!!!

I am looking for a 2-2.5 nali land to built my house.

My baby is jus 6 months old and is too small to go to school as of now, may be in coming 2-3 years she will go to school.
I am looking for a good convent school with basic amenities..!!!

As far as budget is concerned it can be increased as per the situation to upto 30lakhs for the land..!!!

and then the construction cost can be considered to around the range Livein has mentioned.

Please suggest any good place with this budget

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With an expandable budget and almost the same amount reserved for the house you can get a very decent house and property for yourself in any place near the DHQs. Just remember not to get conned into buying land in the vicinity of a sizeable water body seasonal or perennial. It is said that even the driest of stream beds are bound to flood at least once in 50 years. Maybe we have seen the once in 50 or even a 100 year flood in 2013, there is no guarantee with the global warming that it will not happen again. So look at the lay of the land, whether it is in a rocky area or it is just earth underneath (rocky area are less likely to slip) how steep are the slopes and if there are any stream beds around the property. A spring or a brook is alright but a bigger channel of water is definitely a cause for concern. Also check the lads at the revenue office with the patwari to acertain who is the actual owner of the land. Do not give any advances unless you are certain of the ownership and also the possession of the land. Take the patwari to the area and ask him to demarcate the exact fields you are planning to buy and then trace them through the khasra number. All land revenue records of all districts of Uttarakhand are available online. Once you have the exact khsra number you can check the records yourself. But please ensure you get the patwari to ascertain the exact khsra numbers. If you are interested in Uttarkashi let us know we might be able to point you in the right direction here. There is a decent Convent school here (my son studied there) and all the other facilities that you are looking at.
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HI Livein,

Thanks again for your gesture.

I have one qts, if I plan to buy a land now and do bot built any house for 2-3 years, is there any problem aur insecurity of land grabbing.. what are your views on this.

Uttarkashi is top on my list but can you suggest other place than uttarkashi, may in kumaon side or other areas which meet my demands.

and please do let me know I can contact you via email.
Need to discuss a few personal things regarding my shift plan..

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You can buy land and leave it for a while. Land grabbing is not very prevalent here. The most that would happen is the person in possession will continue to occupy the land unless you specifically ask them not to. One more post and you will be eligible for PM and then I can provide you with other details to get in touch with me.
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Vinod - I don't have any specific info on Kotdwara-Lansdowne area. I'm not aware of the schooling situation there either, although this can be found out by making a trip there.

With whatever has been discussed till now, I suggest to narrow down on Mussoorie and Almora areas for now - you really need to spend e.g. a week each there at some time in the near future.
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