Why so much devastation in Uttarakhand----Where will all this end.

#1 Sep 27th, 2010, 00:28
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Landslides were a common problem in Uttarakhand. But every year things are getting worse just 4 years back it was possible to travel after mid august this year we can not say if we can safely travel after mid October

Is it due to
{1} global warming
{2} total unplanned development of the entire state
{3} damís / hydro projects built in fragile and tectonically active zones
{4} rapid deforestation by contractors

The people of Uttarakhand and those who love the Himalayas are depressed and do not understand Where all this will end?
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thanks BKS ji for starting this thread... all the points mentioned by you are contributors.
i am witness to the worsening conditions in Garhwal, have been visiting Garhwal for the last 16 years and have seen so many changes (negative)..
development is needed but it shud be sustainable... the fragile ecosystem of the area is not able to uphold the uncontrolled developments is the recent years.. the blasting done for building Dams have weakened the hills from inside..
hope atleast now there is awakening...
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My greatest fear is, like everywhere else in India, everything will fall into deaf years, with everything forgotten fast as situation improves. And that might lead to authorities not acting even after learning the lesson the hardest way, and doesn't take steps to pollute the fragile Eco-system of the region. I pray this doesn't happen and hope things will be better so as to preserve the nature yet developmental work continuing at the same time.
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Originally Posted by tilak2909 View Post .....i am witness to the worsening conditions in Garhwal, have been visiting Garhwal for the last 16years and have seen so many changes (negative).......
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Originally Posted by soledad View Post ..My greatest fear is, like everywhere else in India, everything will fall into deaf .....

16 years, you are a very experienced traveler tilak

just one example , recently i read this article

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...can-wreck.html

was the govt sleeping when so many tall hotel structures were built ?
and now they refuse to declare the names / what if people check in in one of them and an earthquake strikes
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I believe all the points stated above are valid. I do think the list is a tad biased against folks that are easy to blame - fat cat developers, government, etc. While I think those folks deserve all the blame, the sad fact is that ordinary Uttarkhand residents are just as much to blame.

Here are some of my observations:
  • In Haridwar where my parents live next to Rajaji national park, I have personally seen a parade of men, women and children walking out of the park in the evening with bunches of firewood. And, this is outside of the branches cut inside the park to feed livestock that happens on a daily basis.
  • When on the Dodital trek, my wife and I personally saw locals cutting trees. My guide who was local even knew the guy. In talking with us, the guide obviously did not approve of this. However, I did not see anyone stopping him either.
  • Walking in Binsar area (in forest dept land), saw a lot of trees damaged with locals making holes for getting turpentine oil out of them. The trees then become vulnerable. Also saw a lot of villagers taking stuff to burn and/or feed to animals out of the same forest.
  • I have seen the same thing on treks around Jageshwar.
All these are just anecdotes, but I do want to say that this points to a few more.

Some of the other culprits include an overall increase in construction (and that includes more folks wanting to live/retire in Himalayas), religious and temple constructions (a lot of that in Garhwal). The heavy tourism into Chardham, etc. that is increasing by day are some of the drivers of this increased construction too!
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Originally Posted by kmalik View Post Some of the other culprits include an overall increase in construction (and that includes more folks wanting to live/retire in Himalayas), religious and temple constructions (a lot of that in Garhwal). The heavy tourism into Chardham, etc. that is increasing by day are some of the drivers of this increased construction too!
They, Government have cut centuries old oak and other trees on both sides of Rajpur Road in Dehradun,on name of widening the already wide road, just to show development is going on.

Yes locals do indulge in tree felling for cooking and other pourpose on daily basis.As population increases, felling would increase.
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My purpose was not to condone poor guardianship of the environment by the government. However, an honest dialog discussing 'Why so much devastation in Uttarakhand' can not have sacred cows. There is plenty of blame to go around - and there is plenty of continuing poor guardianship of environment sustainability by the government, local people, developers, politicians and the copious tourists pouring in.
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I feel, at this point of time, rather than finding what has lead to all this destructions, we should concentrate on finding a solution to reduce the rate of destruction as much as possible. Reason for this ecological destruction is very clear to all of us now, but what we don't really know for sure is a way out of this!

I find it quite fascinating, how Swiss people takes care of their Swiss Alps, since Alps mountains are a source of major income for that nation. Have a look at it below:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKIqGYRuvbk

So, why can't the Uttarakhand government take such an initiative similar to the one shown above, with a group of volunteers, maybe, to protect it's mountain? I believe, tourism from it's mountains must be one of the top source of income for this state? I saw how easily the UK CM asked for a 500 crore INR package for the recent natural calamity from the Center, I wonder, had a fraction of that amount been utilized for the protection plan of the mountains a few years back, we may not have to face the nature's hostility of the last week.
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Originally Posted by kmalik View Post ....... I do think the list is a tad biased against folks that are easy to blame - fat cat developers, government, etc. While I think those folks deserve all the blame, the sad fact is that ordinary Uttarkhand residents are just as much to blame.......

here in new mumbai also every day we see the slum dwellers taking fire wood from the green area

here each slum family earns more than 10000/- a month plus govt incentive of rs 2500 a month plus all have ration cards to buy cheap kerosene yet they do not want to spend money and they destroy the green zone

we can give a little bit of leeway to the poor people of uttarakhand

but i do agree with you on all other points / thanks for contributing
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Originally Posted by cityMONK View Post They, Government have cut centuries old oak and other trees on both sides of Rajpur Road in Dehradun,on name of widening the already wide road, just to show development is going on.
CM it is indeed sad to read this

especially from a state where the modern day "Chipko movement" had started and this movement received World Wide attention
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipko_movement
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Originally Posted by soledad View Post I feel, at this point of time, rather than finding what has lead to all this destructions, we should concentrate on finding a solution to reduce the rate of destruction as much as possible.....
yes, soledad your positive approach well appriciated
thanks for the link

there are so many people who have a dream to shift to the himalayas and for them all this is a big heart break

on 22nd Rs 500 crores relief has been approved by the PM
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Thank you. As someone who personally had the pleasure of talking with and listening to Sundarlal Bahuguna back in the Chipko days, I both marvel the improvements in Uttarakhand and am deeply saddened by the unrelenting development and harm to the environment I see taking place every time I visit.

I do want to clarify my point concerning the poor scavenging the environment for wood, etc. in view of:
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we can give a little bit of leeway to the poor people of uttarakhand
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I am not unsympathetic to the poor, and understand that food for sustenance and need for warmth comes before environmental concerns. That said, this needs to kept in view - not to dump on the poor but to developing comprehensive strategies that raise awareness, create disincentives and develop alternatives to the environmentally damaging practices.
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Hi Friends
I visited Kedarnath in May 2010 and after returning from there I feel that everything is BHAGWAN BHAROSE there, I donot want to say more.

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Originally Posted by alokclicks View Post Hi Friends
I feel that there is no Government in Uttrakhand and everything is BHAGWAN BHAROSE there, I donot want to say more.

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Alok it is very very wrong on your part to comment on Government of Uttrakahand, what do you think on whose BHAROSE all other states of this country are running ( union terrortories and center included.)
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Sorry Citymonk, I have edited my post.

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