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theyyamdancer Mar 2nd, 2017 14:01

And post 1647 on page 110, dated 24th May 2012, discusses leopard theory.

Nick-H Mar 2nd, 2017 14:04

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Originally Posted by old india hand (Post 2022206)
Would someone who has followed and read all 2000 posts please tell if there has been any previous discussion of leopard theory .. and provide the post numbers.

It doesn't matter.

If it was mooted before, it was. If it wasn't, then you have put the idea now. That's it. Argument about it here is pointless: others are doing the doing.

old india hand Mar 2nd, 2017 14:34

Thanks aarosh

They are leopard mentions at posts
#1325
#1647
#1674
and the spot on from PeakXV at #1681
Leopards are a very, very different animal though. They've been known to carry their human prey over 4 miles from the point of attack & in that specific region of the world.... regardless of the steepness of the ravines or density of jungle in their path. “

Notable is how ‘leopard theory’ did not become part of the narrative (neither for nor against) .. why was that?

nycank Mar 2nd, 2017 14:52

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Originally Posted by Nick-H (Post 2022016)
So far as Indiamike is concerned, perhaps it was the first big missing-person story here.

Not Ryan Chambers ?

dillichaat Mar 2nd, 2017 15:06

Ryan Chambers was prior but iirc there was no involvement from family here on the site. Also, although no definite answer as to what happened was forthcoming, in his case I seem to recall that the indications of where things went wrong were clearer (I seem to recall that -either through medication or for other reasons- he was disconnected from reality in the final day(s) before his disappearance).

kullukid Mar 2nd, 2017 17:41

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Originally Posted by dillichaat (Post 2022230)
Ryan Chambers was prior but iirc there was no involvement from family here on the site. Also, although no definite answer as to what happened was forthcoming, in his case I seem to recall that the indications of where things went wrong were clearer (I seem to recall that -either through medication or for other reasons- he was disconnected from reality in the final day(s) before his disappearance).

His parents were involved here; http://www.indiamike.com/india/chai-...ambers-t15047/

More here; http://www.indiamike.com/india/chai-...ambers-t15047/

jituyadav Mar 3rd, 2017 12:26

My view is that it does not help to keep the wound alive, and the inevitable must be accepted. It is obvious that Jonathan has either disappeared on his own volition, or he is no more.

Either way, there is no point in keeping the hopes alive and better is to move on, and one way of doing is not to wait for next morning bringing in some good news. Fond memories are sometimes better than hope, and you cannot enjoy them fully unless acceptance comes in.

Aupmanyav Mar 3rd, 2017 12:28

Disappearance is either an accident or a crime (one cannot vanish completely even by own volition). Jonathan was not in high Himalayas, so I see a bigger possibility of a crime.
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Originally Posted by jituyadav (Post 2022412)
Fond memories are sometimes better than hope, and you cannot enjoy them fully unless acceptance comes in.

My post should have come before Jituji's post. Nothing better can be said.

atala Mar 3rd, 2017 13:22

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Originally Posted by jituyadav (Post 2022412)
My view is that it does not help to keep the wound alive, and the inevitable must be accepted. It is obvious that Jonathan has either disappeared on his own volition, or he is no more.

Either way, there is no point in keeping the hopes alive and better is to move on, and one way of doing is not to wait for next morning bringing in some good news. Fond memories are sometimes better than hope, and you cannot enjoy them fully unless acceptance comes in.

A story I heard from a mourning counselor: A wife of a deceased husband decided not to see his dead body before the funeral, because she wanted to remember him like he always was during his life. Later it drove her almost insane, as she started to disbelieve that he had actually died. She even went that far to demand an exhumation, just to get proof that he really had died.

The point here is, that if there is no objective, definitive proof of a loved one's death there is always that lingering doubt in the mind of the bereft, he might turn up at the next corner, and all of it was just an error, a misunderstanding or something like that. Hope here is not a metaphysical principle that can be given up, it is a psychological phenomenon that is inherent in heart-felt attachment (aka love).

What is different here is how far "we" (on the internet) feed such hope and keep it alive...

old india hand Mar 3rd, 2017 13:29

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Originally Posted by atala (Post 2022423)

What is different here is how far "we" (on the internet) feed such hope and keep it alive...



correct well spotted

Nick-H Mar 3rd, 2017 14:38

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Originally Posted by jituyadav (Post 2022412)
My view is that it does not help to keep the wound alive, and the inevitable must be accepted. It is obvious that Jonathan has either disappeared on his own volition, or he is no more.

I agree with you --- but it isn't our "call" (as they say). The decision is entirely with the family, and, for them, always will be and can be no other way.

The scenario of random people making posts on the internet and re-opening the wound does not apply here. KK's recent post makes that very clear.

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Originally Posted by Aupmanyav (Post 2022413)
(one cannot vanish completely even by own volition)

I think that one can. and that people often do. Sometimes they re-appear, sometimes they do not.

kullukid Mar 3rd, 2017 19:19

Lynda Spollen radio interview;

https://soundcloud.com/rte-radio-1/l...llen-interview


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