Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012

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#1351 Apr 26th, 2012, 11:17
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Originally Posted by hfot2 View Post I've been following this thread, but have had nothing to contribute except our hopes for a successful outcome.

The suggestion on the bottom of the previous page seems to be being overlooked. It sounds like a great offer that might help.

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Lynda here, you beat me to it! Of course we would like to take up on Ameka's kind offer and maybe we can pm to swap email etc.?

My brother, Eugene is doing a TV news interview just now and the media campaign in relation to the reward scheme starts in earnest today - the buses, taxis and lamposts (along the 4 pilgrimage routes) are postered. People are in place distributing reward cards and talking to pilgrims asking have they seen someone matching Jonathan's discription anywhere on their travels alerting them to the fact that he may be unwell and need medical help. We believe this is a key time when there is so much movement of people and those who may have missed our campaign before certainly won't now!

The Video is a brilliant idea and well worth developing - Saidhbh has been suggesting it and we need to do it.

I feel so motivated when I read of all the work you are doing on our behalf, your ideas are inspiring and your support and encouragement give us the confidence to push our own limits, so thank you all, aagain and again!. Lynda
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Originally Posted by amekha View Post Hi, I came across this thread last night. Firstly I would like to offer my deepest sympathies to Lynda, I can understand what she must be going through, but I think you're really brave and a great fighter. I hope we find Jonathan soon.

I am a freelance photographer/writer based in New Delhi. I just read the last post by David. David am not associated with any big name but if you think it will be useful, I will write a piece and try to get it published wherever possible to get maximum attention. Maybe someone might pick it up and do there own story in a national daily.
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Hi Lynda

I have sent a message to Amekha suggesting she contact you on your email address as she is a new member and cannot yet use the private messaging system here.

Best wishes to Eugene and the team for the media campaign.
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I am visiting this thread after a long time so not aware of latest developments regarding the search efforts.

Today I stumbled upon an article related to a Swiss lady who was on spiritual fasting since 2010. Please follow the link

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012...lf-starvation/

This is not to suggest any thing unfortunate as far as Jonathan is concerned. I have a firm belief that he is safe and will come out of recluse sooner than later.

I just wanted to highlight that the Swiss lady was following the same guru (Baba Prahlad Jani) whom Jonathan interviewed twice. And it seems there are other followers of the Baba worldover who practice same kind of fasting
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Originally Posted by Photofreak View Post I am visiting this thread after a long time so not aware of latest developments regarding the search efforts.

Today I stumbled upon an article related to a Swiss lady who was on spiritual fasting since 2010. Please follow the link

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012...lf-starvation/

This is not to suggest any thing unfortunate as far as Jonathan is concerned. I have a firm belief that he is safe and will come out of recluse sooner than later.

I just wanted to highlight that the Swiss lady was following the same guru (Baba Prahlad Jani) whom Jonathan interviewed twice. And it seems there are other followers of the Baba worldover who practice same kind of fasting
But I think things are really different here. She was most propably not following the guru, but just believed what was showed her in a movie, which is a littlebit suggestive, cause it acts like it is totally objectiv but does not really show the critical points about this whole not eating - living from the energy of the sun thing, but wants to show that this Pranafood thing exisits. It was very popular in Germany, so I think this lady just saw this movie and then tried to do this thing, without beeing adviced by someone and propably fascinated as the film acts like "This is working and I makes you happy".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lexOGSOfTV4
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Originally Posted by cassiopeia View Post But I think things are really different here. She was most propably not following the guru, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lexOGSOfTV4
My reference to the Swiss lady in my previous post was just to bring the case here in to perspective.

What exactly she was doing (in terms of exactly (or directly) following Baba Jani)is a secondary thing. What I gathered from that news item was that she was influenced by Baba Jani.
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I don t want to critize you, but just want to say (after reading in the german press) that she was not at all influenced by Pralat Jani but only by the film (where Pralat Jani was next to some other Breatharians one of the protagonists).

My point is simpel: That Jonathan did a fast we all know, and the idea that he maybe liked the idea of Pralat jani (Did anyone read the articel he wrote about him?!?!? I asked that before, but no answer!!!) is one that many here have thought.

But with the swiss women you throw something in - she was influenced by Pralat Jani - which sounds like: Whuuuuoooo people get into the cult of one guru and follow him. But she didn t follow the guru but only a very subjective docu which acts like: everything ist totally reliabel and scientifically profen (one of the main arguments of the movie) and this movie was actually a big hype especially in the esoteric szene. And many have started fasting after consuming this movie.
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Originally Posted by capt_mahajan View Post Can you specify which suggestion? This is because the bottom of the page varies according to user settings (no of posts per page set)
Sorry, for my lack of clarity, but I quoted the relevant part of Ameka's post so it shouldn't have mattered.

Lynda and Julia picked up on the suggestion and have acted on it!

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Originally Posted by cassiopeia View Post I don t want to critize you, (
I understand that my friend ..we all here are trying to analyze a situation.

My inference about that unfortunate Swiss lady was based only on that paragraph of news item, which does mention Baba Jani.

Anyways...What I am saying is that whether or not that Swiss lady was influenced by Baba Jani is secondary..if she was not then any body else would not be influenced...can't be true.

Secondly what matters is that it's a fact that she was fasting and it is practiced (either based on scientific principles or spiritual belief). Others can do the same based on their set of belief and inflluences
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Originally Posted by Photofreak View Post I understand that my friend ..we all here are trying to analyze a situation.

My inference about that unfortunate Swiss lady was based only on that paragraph of news item, which does mention Baba Jani.

Anyways...What I am saying is that whether or not that Swiss lady was influenced by Baba Jani is secondary..if she was not then any body else would not be influenced...can't be true.

Secondly what matters is that it's a fact that she was fasting and it is practiced (either based on scientific principles or spiritual belief). Others can do the same based on their set of belief and inflluences
But for that we should know how he wrote about Pralat Jani - if he was an absolute sceptic itś not quite realistic that he will start fasting - he was fascinated - possible that he gave the thing a try. Then you could ask if he got the kidney stone because of the fasting or he fasted because of the kidney stone.
But even if we know all that - would bring us not one single step close to where he is now - exept this friend he fasted with would be found.

PS: I didn t want to zensor your thoughts really not - I think it s this movie which is really making me :beatingdead horse:
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Originally Posted by cassiopeia View Post Then you could ask if he got the kidney stone because of the fasting or he fasted because of the kidney stone.
But even if we know all that - would bring us not one single step close to where he is now
At least not drinking at all or not enough is something that surely has worsened his physical condition and makes a medical emergency more likely.

Partly off topic:
Just read the mentioned original article at the Swiss tagesanzeiger, a very detailed one, recommended for everyone who understands German.
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But even if we know all that - would bring us not one single step close to where he is now

PS: I didn t want to zensor your thoughts really not - I think it s this movie which is really making me :beatingdead horse:
There is some thing called ray of hope that we all look for in situations like this. Confirmation of some theories can at least further strengthen our belief that Jonathan is safe. And also can help narrow down the domain of search.

What you call a censor, I call that a healthy debate/discussion

As far as your movie is concerned..I guess you are watching it decades after its release..thats why the problem
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Originally Posted by federica View Post Just read the mentioned original article at the Swiss tagesanzeiger, a very detailed one, recommended for everyone who understands German.
I have read the article yesterday and had similar thoughts as discussed here. I wonder whether there is a connection between this Jani Baba and the Australian promoter who called herself Jashmuheen, and whether the Baba might know someone in the Rishikesh area, a name he might have dropped to Jonathan during his visits.

As much as we have heard and read, Jonathan is not the spiritual type. Where would he have heard about Rishikesh, other than from this Baba? Since he visited him twice, he might have done some research, and somehow Rishikesh came out prominent on his wish-list.

When you have been in Nepal before on the same trip, why would Rishikesh be attractive for trekking? My conclusion here is he had another motivation to go to Rishikesh. Maybe he had heard of someone there in the foothills, possibly in relation to this Baba. Someone in Gujarat should go and interview him.
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Originally Posted by atala View Post As much as we have heard and read, Jonathan is not the spiritual type. Where would he have heard about Rishikesh, other than from this Baba? Since he visited him twice, he might have done some research, and somehow Rishikesh came out prominent on his wish-list.
Um, because it's a highly popular place in the region, must be among the top list of "traveler"/backpacker places to go to, is way up there in all the guidebooks, has been known as such ever since the 1960's and the Beatles with their Maharishi if not before, and tons of people also of the non-spiritual type do just that?

I do agree speaking to this Gujarati baba might not be a bad idea; if it will lead you anywhere though, I am much doubtful of. But it surely wouldn't hurt to do so. Be wary of getting just some of y'r usual spiritual claptrap I guess, and it indeed not leading you much of anywhere, if not entirely on the wrong trail. "Oh, I feel that... And you must know that... Now here's a stone that will guide you along your way, and a puja for you to perform, and a mantra to repeat every so often, plus this yantra that will help you. It might help if you cross my palm with some money."

What I mean of course is let anyone speaking to him/her (calls himself androgynous or female, if I recall? That's not untypical btw, Shiva is often depicted as being androgynous. It's that yin-yang sort of thing, and now incorporated all into the same body. Then you get your notions of hijras or a "third sex" so i.e. transsexuals in many parts of Asia, it would take us a little far here. But they do have their own beliefs, and as always varying between them) be well-versed in all the trappings of the field. If not, there's too much chance you'll be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire, and good chance the guy will tell you just anything he thinks you like to hear, and such folks tend to be pretty good at this. Of course you being very anxious and searching for someone will leave you very vulnerable to this, and he will know it, you'll probably just have told him so. You'll be that more of an open book to read.

(So I would suggest sending someone to speak to him who is calm and collected and not directly involved, and indeed knows the field.)

I mean if as reported he advocates living on air, I wouldn't put too much trust in whatever else he has to say.
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Originally Posted by cassiopeia View Post I don t want to critize you, but just want to say .....(
Well then - don't!

Just let people have their say & let others form their own opinion. This is a public forum on a serious topic in a region that attracts much more than your average sightseer and those that cater to them.

So let's just hear what other people have to say without bias, influence &/or having to go on a personal content analysis-rant.
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Originally Posted by machadinha View Post Um, because it's a highly popular place in the region, must be among the top list of "traveler"/backpacker places to go to, is way up there in all the guidebooks, has been known as such ever since the 1960's and the Beatles with their Maharishi if not before, and tons of people also of the non-spiritual type do just that?
Yes Mach, but he wanted to go trekking there, after he had been in Nepal. I have been several times in Rishikesh, and I can tell you it is not that attractive a place. Compared to something like Pokhara it is nothing at all.

My train of thought is, Jonathan came twice to this Baba, it could well be the Baba was bragging to him about the feats of yogis, and where to go to meet such folk? In Rishikesh. (although there is no one there, in reality. The only real yogi died a few years ago, the founder of Vedniketan.)
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