Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012

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#1276 Apr 18th, 2012, 16:02
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Originally Posted by Lakritsa View Post I'm not sure if this has been mentioned already, but there is also the (small) possibility of psychosis.
This has been discussed earlier, already, too. Would be a condition where he would need help, definitely. I would iclude this in the scenario "he is sick and needs help", not differenciating too much whether the illness is physically or mentally.
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@new_traveller

Because, unfortunately, many times people are acting strange and do not follow normal line of logic (why are people doing road accidents leave the scene when they know will be caught?)
I am not sure what is the legal frame in which ayurvedas work in India and what are the accepted competences in terms of diseases (emergencies). While can be easy accepted for joint pains, dermatitis, etc they might be banned for treating life-threating emergencies (don't know).
In terms of contacting family - well, how to contact someone's family when that person has no ID? and you can't understand too much from him? Also from what I have seen in Sri Lanka (might be different in India) the ayurvedic doctors are rather quite basic places and someone can't speak about real clinics (at least not in the small settlements)
Look - I have shared this case to some colleagues of mine here - and someone came with a crazy idea. Was possible the cards and what was found on the path to be taken and dropped by some monkeys.

Please - as stated before here - DO NOT TRY TO SUGGEST TO POLICE THERE IS SOMEONE WHO IS MISSING BY HIS OWN WISH OR YOU HAVE SOMEONE WITH A PSYCHOSIS.
THIS WILL ONLY MAKE THEM BEING LAZY AND NOT PROPERLY DEAL WITH THE CASE.

I apologize for capitals used above - but in my opinion, police approach now is for someone going to a trek with an unfortunate accident and due to the amount of time which has passed from the last contact they will definitely not deal with a rescue operation. Also in my opinion this is not the case.....
Unfortunately I am not able to be on this forum during the day time - the Easter Holiday has just finish but I will keep read what is posted here during the evenings.
If someone has interesting facts or want to share opinions with me - please send a private message (have no clue if and how is this possible but should be an option)
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Because, unfortunately, many times people are acting strange and do not follow normal line of logic (why are people doing road accidents leave the scene when they know will be caught?)

Because they do not have an dead person in their back seat. Also this is not as easy in a small village where people around you know you have a patient and you cannot just become a criminal overnight for a crime you have not commited. I am sure the practitioner will report it to the head of the village.


Look - I have shared this case to some colleagues of mine here - and someone came with a crazy idea. Was possible the cards and what was found on the path to be taken and dropped by some monkeys.

This is actually crazy, yes but then it is not impossible and it is even possible that a bird picked it up and droped it. Well anything is possible hypothetically. But why think of possibilities which are too remote

Please - as stated before here - DO NOT TRY TO SUGGEST TO POLICE THERE IS SOMEONE WHO IS MISSING BY HIS OWN WISH OR YOU HAVE SOMEONE WITH A PSYCHOSIS.
THIS WILL ONLY MAKE THEM BEING LAZY AND NOT PROPERLY DEAL WITH THE CASE.
Well I agree with the caps and the urgency on this matter, BUT I think whatever has to be done is already done.
The policve have been contacted long back and I am hoping that this line of thought not shared with them.
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Originally Posted by machadinha View Post I've asked about this several times before, but could this link please be added to the first post of this thread, preferably early on in a clearly visible spot? It may not add much to this thread, but for one thing it indeed offers a donation link to assist in the search effort.

Also and again, to the makers of that page/site, it's been flagged as potentially suspicious by my firewall software ever since pretty soon after it was started.* Those may well be "false-positive" alerts, but they're not going away, and anyway look into this, it will cost you potential viewers, nor will they feel much tempted to donate through a page flagged as such.

That firewall of mine is a very popular free one out there, so it will get flagged so to many users.

* In fact on closer inspection, it says the site is not known as a phishing site or spyware distributor, but the alert is based both on it having been recently created, and the strength of its security certificate. I guess the first you can't do much about, the second you could look into. It featuring a donations link, and so asking you to enter personal information, will no doubt have contributed to the alert.

I'm not into the technicalities of this, but it might be an idea to seek to get your page hosted with a more established source/provider.
Hi machadinha,

Apologies for my tardiness in getting back to you.

I have checked out this problem your experiencing. It was coming up as clean on the vast majority of website scanners. For the ones where it is not coming up clean it is simply coming up as 'unverified'. This is due to the fact that it is a new site (as you noted above). Where possible, I have submitted it for analysis at these sites so hopefully all will be fine soon.

I haven't heard of anyone else having an issue so let's hope the problem has not affected too many people.

It would be great if you could let me know what software you are using so I can make an extra effort with getting a clean bill of health for that particular software.

Once again thank you to all on indiamike for your amazing work and for keeping this thread active.

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Originally Posted by new_traveller View Post I hope the authorities have not been given the vibes that it is a case of being "missing" voluntarily. This will make the authorities not take the same efforts as a missing foreigner.
Is this not a function of the territory? If rarely a foreigner goes AWOL from that region or overstays there visa - then there is no reason to assume that they will make that assumption. However the more the history of foreigners 'staying on' for whatever reason ... then the more the potential for unjust preconceptions. How any preconceptions affect long term police/search productivity is uncertain/unknown.
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Originally Posted by silviup View Post Unfortunately I am not able to be on this forum during the day time - the Easter Holiday has just finish but I will keep read what is posted here during the evenings.
Silviup, you clearly bring a lot of expertise in the field, and thanks for all your thoughts. (Same to Snifferdog and all her expertise, btw.) This is going to sound criticial, it isn't: But, if you have the time, could you not print out this entire thread, go over it with a magic marker & a few jars of coffee, note the chain of events and what springs out to you, then tell us what you make of that? I'm sure it could be very helpful.

It does cover a lot of things you've also rightly been thinking of. Down to monkeys carrying off his belongings, indeed! Someone had mentioned that before.

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Originally Posted by georgedargan View Post It would be great if you could let me know what software you are using so I can make an extra effort with getting a clean bill of health for that particular software.
You're most welcome, George, it's CheckPoint's ZoneAlarm Free Firewall that flags you, or at least at my end. They don't infrequently give what look to be these false positives, I was just thinking it could cost you visitors. It's a yellow bar saying this site is suspicious; I think they have a red alert or something above that saying highly suspicious, so at least that's not what you're getting. It will make the not-so savvy quickly browse away, in fact I probably would if I don't absolutely want to see that site and think I should be somewhat able to trust it. I mean I'll have further safeguards to cover me if things go wrong, but of course one prefers to not push it to the limit if one can help it.

Keep up the good effort.
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Is'nt there a facebook page? I was unable to find an FB page with the message and photo.
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Originally Posted by new_traveller View Post Is'nt there a facebook page? I was unable to find an FB page with the message and photo.
No, i don't think there is, i've added the poster to about 100 or so FB friends walls in Indiaor who visit India with a message to share it with their friends & had a very good response.KK
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Here is Lynda's faceboook page and there is also findspollen.com.









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#1285 Apr 19th, 2012, 04:02
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Of Snakes and aureveda...

This business of snake bites and venom, is a false start, or rather not understanding the terrain. This past Feb was rather cold in the region. The whole region did not get to become warm till 1st week of March.

Snakes, or rather venomous snakes in that part of the valley do not venture out in such climates. Snakes do not go seeking to bite unless threatened.
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I was beaten by these quotation methods (not sure it is working in my case)- so back to the old methods

@new_traveller

Yes - there might be no dead person on the back seat because actually is down on the road. Anyway this is off-topic but please believe me I have faced situations like the ones presented above. More than this you should consider the fact that there are different cultural and social patterns and what something you and me will consider normal or normality in terms of behavior, should be different there (is the same as Christians are praying to Jesus and Buddhists to Buddha and both are thinking they are on the right track).
So - one of the best criminalists from my country - Dumitru Ceacanica - said "There is no perfect murderer in this world, just imperfect investigators". Adapting this to the topic, there are now 37 days from the time the backpack was found near the waterfall and even with all the concentrated help from volunteers, specialists, family, police, canine team - there is no trace of Jonathan. Before going further with everything you should ask yourself - WHY? I mean why there is no result?
People don't simply vanish without traces - so the methodology is what is either missing or it is wrong in this case.
And to finish this - I am off-topic already, I will tell you the story of an eccentric case: A guy, dressed in military uniform, invited 2 ladies in a bar and while they were drinking, having fun at their table, 2 young "machos" have approached him asking if he will be happy to share one of girls with them. He said ok, took a knife off his pants and cut one of the guy throat and after that stabbed the other one (both deadly). Then simply left with those girls the bar (no surveillance camera, nothing - but few very shocked witnesses indeed).
The task team in charge with this - has formulated their hypothesis and were all written on the flip chart as follows:
1) A soldier boy being in his registered, weekend leave, committed the crime (focusing area - military camps around Bucharest city)
2) A soldier boy who left the camp unregistered, committed the crime (focusing area - military camps around Bucharest city)
3) Some guy dressed in a soldier clothes has committed the crime (entire Bucharest city)
The last one #3 was the most eccentric - or as you said "too remote" but was proofed to be the real one so the author has proofed to be a stretcher-bearer from a hospital who took his brother army clothes just to impress some ladies and ended up by killing 2 people......
To cut a long story short, in every case you have to follow a methodology but this methodology is not static - its passing through various stages in its life-cycle and you find yourself (most of the times) that you are returning again and again and again on the same topic by adding more clues or extend the initial logic, and until you have solved the case, there is no "THIS TOPIC WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED"
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Originally Posted by silviup View Post I am off-topic already,
Well you're right about that. Your post doesn't appear to have any bearing on this case or to offer any help to Jonathan's family at all.

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there is no "THIS TOPIC WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED"
Yes there is. For example you asked earlier whether Jonathan is a smoker. This has been asked already in this thread and was answered by a member of the family. You have been asked gently several times now to take the time to read through this thread yourself if you want to find information. Please do that, and do not clutter up this important thread with repeat questions and off-topic unhelpful speculation.
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Every day I am following this case. Every day reading and reading. Of course the same things are going to come up over and over because there is nothing new left to offer. Every single little or large scenario or theory or idea not matter how unrealistic has been offered. More than once. But people don’t want to let it go. Because Jonathan has not been found. We have come to care so much about Jonathan and his family over the weeks that are fast running into months. It seems we have 2 options. To keep this thread active we must post on it. And because there is nothing left to be said that hasn’t already been said we must post whatever we are thinking at any given time. OR.. option number 2 is to feel we have nothing new to contribute so we drop out and let the thread die a natural death. Most of us are not ready to do that I feel. I really think we need to be a bit sympathetic to those who want to remain a part of this “Find Jonathan Spollen” family but can only do so by posting repeat ideas and theories. At the very least it keeps this thread alive and running. Every time someone posts a thread no matter useful or not it keeps the thread in the public eye.
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Originally Posted by JuliaF View Post Well you're right about that. Your post doesn't appear to have any bearing on this case or to offer any help to Jonathan's family at all.



Yes there is. For example you asked earlier whether Jonathan is a smoker. This has been asked already in this thread and was answered by a member of the family. You have been asked gently several times now to take the time to read through this thread yourself if you want to find information. Please do that, and do not clutter up this important thread with repeat questions and off-topic unhelpful speculation.

Ya, I agree. He is completely on a different page!
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post . Silvi, you really need to look back at this thread if you sincerely want to help,you are constantly going over old ground,surely if you have a PHD or whatever you mentioned in criminology/detective work you must know that the first point of call is to go through evidence & facts already provided no matter how tedious that might be???KK
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Originally Posted by Sarbani View Post Ya, I agree. He is completely on a different page!

Yes, read these 80+ pages which will answer your already answered questions.KK
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