Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012

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#1231 Apr 17th, 2012, 05:06
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Originally Posted by sgcarney View Post I'm an investigative journalist currently based in Los Angeles, but have spent quite a bit of time traveling through India.

There is a chance that I will be back in North India this summer and I have a pretty broad range of contacts in law enforcement, diplomatic circles and with some of the more shady operators who frequent South Asia. I sent messages about Spollen to a few promising sources, but haven't turned up anything useful yet.

If I go back this summer I'll try to poke around the hill stations. If he is still mobile he will probably head north in the hot months to Dharmsala, Shimla or Manali. Then again, without his passport or cash, he might have some trouble getting around the way that tourists do.


I'd be happy to talk to people on this board about the case. Feel free to get in touch with me at sgcarney@gmail.com

I'm still doing research on a possible book-length project on lost foreigners in India. I also have some pretty solid contacts in the media world if you want to try to get the word out that way.

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Sounds like you could be very helpful with the search scott,why don't you email David (J's father) directly with a link to your post at;
davidgreen100@xtra.co.nz
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Please look at this thread: http://www.indiamike.com/india/uttar...012-a-t159252/

He could be anywhere now: You might have met him, be able to help, or give information.
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Originally Posted by new_traveller View Post Silviup- I cannot have agreed more on the thought !

I (and I speak for myself though I can vouch most of us) cannot judge a person on a few articles he wrote professionally, a few events in his life which might can be circumstantial (the history of being robbed, scammed and past in kashmir)

Also I would not create a flow of events by the suggestions or theories of many.

The desire of finding J is pushing aside logic and rationality. He is expected to be in a orange/white cloak to be fasting in a remote ashram ignorant that his loved ones have gone hysterical.

Davids post above (and I am not judging david in anyway by just a few statements) show he believes or thinks that J might or was in a mental phase where he might have wanted to leave his current life and become a yogi. And if he feels so , I cannot feel otherwise as he knows his son better than any of us.

Am happy to read the updates on whats happening at the behind the screen on the search. Thanks for the update david.



KK I would not go by those some who suggested but now that david says, I am no one to counter that.

Personally I would still want to be rationale and focus on methods to search J considering he is in trouble. Some serious trouble that did not make him contact anyone since months. Have already posted much on it so will not repeat.
Everyone we meet and everything we read provides us with a different theory and it is very hard not to let the mind wander and think well.....anything, but when we realise we could be thinking: 'that J might (or) was in a mental phase where he might have wanted to leave his current life and become a yogi'! we are jolted into stark reality and can say categorically that there is nothing to indicate that he wanted or planned to do this. So thank you New Traveller for helping to bring us back to where we need to be! As you know my brother Gene and sister-in-law Maura took over from, Liz, Robbie, Will and Jack a couple of weeks ago and working 12 hour days have built on their foundations to a point where they are launching this week a reward campaign initially focusing on the North and the 4 main pilgrimage routes with sticker posters on buses and lampposts etc, along the routes. 10s of thousands of 'reward cards' (business card size) will be distributed so people can easily carry one for easy reference if they meet Jonathan - it will have his picture and all necessary contact details. We hope to be able to post the artwork for these tomorrow and would be delighted if any of you could forward them on for us. Adverts and media coverage, print and TV are in place to kickstart the campaign and together with so much goodwill and your constant support how can we not be hopeful. Thank you all. Lynda
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post I thought his bag was hidden but his sleeping bag & book were laid out?

I meant common in India, Sadhu's & the like, not westerners. Oh boy! how easily we misunderstand one another,it sometimes feels like i'm talking to my wife.
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You have no idea how well you hit that nail on the head, KK!!!
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Originally Posted by silviup View Post I have used info from here - 2nd April:
Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012

That was my only reading here after I have crashed into this topic yesterday night. If this is the info you are talking about - yes I read it!.
This explains why you've asked some questions already answered by Lynda, Jonathan's mother, like the condition of the found items, see here:

Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012

A link to this post is also provided in the very first post of this thread, that's why I've suggested before to read the first post including links.
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Hi!

Thx - there are now some quite more evidences. Anyway, the money was in the water-fall rucksack but the wallet and mobile phone were missing.
Does anyone know if the money inside the bag was easy to be found/spotted or were hidden this way only an extensive search was able to reveal it?
How about the camera? Was there or also missing?
Why am I asking? it is simple. There are some opportunistic thefts where some people are pushed by the idea of an easy going action (like grab and run, while there is no one around). This explains why they have only grabbed the easiest to be found items or they might have taken the entire day pack.
The 1 km findings might be the result of thief(thieves) feeling in a safe area and not followed, deciding to see what valuables they have taken and dump everything was not considered useful. (maybe some kids/teenagers as the modus operandi looks very basic - definitely not some muggers or dangerous people)
Now - this is not explaining where was J during that time and if the backpack was resting there for few days or not but the most important thing I would personally asses - will be to try find the thieves. They are the only people who can describe the place of their findings - if J was there near round or if it was a deserted place. They can also help describing the surroundings in that day (other people they have met on the path, foreigners, etc)
Another point to consider - how far from the camping spot was mobile telephony coverage? so where should a people travel there in order to be able to place a call.
Again, mobile phone IMEI will help discover the device and its position. If it is active somewhere was either J using it or - most probably - the new owner - in this case the mobile was also stolen on that day but can help catch who steal it.
There is one other question not giving me peace. If J discovered that his wallet is missing and he was just robbed - the first step was to make sure his passport and the remaining money are with him all the time before, eventually starting to chase any thief or leave the area for a short period of time. But this never happened.
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Originally Posted by silviup View Post Another point to consider - how far from the camping spot was mobile telephony coverage? so where should a people travel there in order to be able to place a call.
Again, mobile phone IMEI will help discover the device and its position. If it is active somewhere was either J using it or - most probably - the new owner - in this case the mobile was also stolen on that day but can help catch who steal it.
There is one other question not giving me peace. If J discovered that his wallet is missing and he was just robbed - the first step was to make sure his passport and the remaining money are with him all the time before, eventually starting to chase any thief or leave the area for a short period of time. But this never happened.
Hence the Spiritual renouncing theory!
Checks have been done with the mobile provider,the phone hasn't been used since 3rd Feb.Once again this has been covered, i'm sure your willingness to help is very much appreciated by all,but you need to go back & read this thread in a bit more depth, I know 80 something pages is a bit of a pain,but it's easy to quickly skim through them & pick out the relevant posts.KK
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Hi KK!

When you say about mobile phone usage - are you actually speaking about that SIM number or the phone IMEI - sorry, it might be either not clear for me or for you.
I can only read updates from his parents about what new findings but nothing in terms of how those findings were approached. Also they might not be able to know these details.
You are asking me to read 81 pages and see questions about some pics with a spiritual leader? believe me, I have pics with Romanian former president and I am not even a member of his party - and I am not doing any kind of politics. So - someone who will see those pics might say I can abandon my carrier/family and follow that guy, according to your logic.
While what you say can be true - you have to understand that there are some protocols to be followed in investigations and the priorities should be very well established.
Basically you are looking to convince me that someone with a solid culture, knowledge and studies are so cynical to simulate its own disappearing, producing so much suffering inside his family, just to follow a Spiritual path somewhere in India AND this should be the primary track someone will have to follow in looking for him?
I seriously doubt, and while people do crazy things - such cases are either the result of dramas in their lives or a strong alteration of their mental health (I apologize to his family for my words, are not used to target anyone here) - but these are very rare and should not be considered the first line in any investigation.
Do you have a documented statistic for this? meaning how many foreigners did this and all details?
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I have read something on someone's blog on other website, about that place.
Is anyone from here - who traveled those place - aware what is this warning all about?
"Got a bottle of water from one of the tea stalls once we reached GC and started on the small but steep and a bit trecherous ascent to the actual waterfall, ignoring the signboard of the forest authority that forbids any such kind of excursion"

This is a reproduction of someone post in a personal travel blog.

What is written on that signboard????

Thx!
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Originally Posted by silviup View Post I have read something on someone's blog on other website, about that place.
Is anyone from here - who traveled those place - aware what is this warning all about?
"Got a bottle of water from one of the tea stalls once we reached GC and started on the small but steep and a bit trecherous ascent to the actual waterfall, ignoring the signboard of the forest authority that forbids any such kind of excursion"

This is a reproduction of someone post in a personal travel blog.

What is written on that signboard????

Thx!

Silviup - I Agree with you that reading all those 80+ (I have lost the track of page numbers) is very difficult for someone who has hopped in now just to understand what all has been suggested and what not. Infact it would be very difficult for IMers to point out to the relevent posts about which discussion has happened as this will mean digging up a lot of posts and providing links to them.
So some amount of re-discussions cannot be avoided, though even you might not want them when you have been here a while and someone new hops in. Lets live with it BUT also know that many have already discussed it.

But your above post was a real bouncer. What are you referring to? Can you please suggest and also its relevence on how this can be helpful in the current scenario.
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Originally Posted by silviup View Post I have read something on someone's blog on other website, about that place.
Is anyone from here - who traveled those place - aware what is this warning all about?
"Got a bottle of water from one of the tea stalls once we reached GC and started on the small but steep and a bit trecherous ascent to the actual waterfall, ignoring the signboard of the forest authority that forbids any such kind of excursion"

This is a reproduction of someone post in a personal travel blog.

What is written on that signboard????

Thx!
http://travel.sulekha.com/rishikesh-...video-3414.htm

see post 424 & check the links;
Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012
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Originally Posted by silviup View Post Hi KK!

When you say about mobile phone usage - are you actually speaking about that SIM number or the phone IMEI - sorry, it might be either not clear for me or for you.

You are asking me to read 81 pages and see questions about some pics with a spiritual leader?

Basically you are looking to convince me that someone with a solid culture, knowledge and studies are so cynical to simulate its own disappearing, producing so much suffering inside his family, just to follow a Spiritual path somewhere in India AND this should be the primary track someone will have to follow in looking for him?
I seriously doubt, and while people do crazy things - such cases are either the result of dramas in their lives or a strong alteration of their mental health (I apologize to his family for my words, are not used to target anyone here) - but these are very rare and should not be considered the first line in any investigation.
Do you have a documented statistic for this? meaning how many foreigners did this and all details?
There's a detailed post on the phone sim situation,which i can't remember clearly at the mo'. I just skimmed through the 1st 30 pages (which took 10mins) but can't find it there,will check the rest later when i have time.
I'm not trying to convince you or anyone of anything, it's just one of the many possibilities,once you get deeply into Spirituality you realise that it's necessary to become detached from everything, some westerners & even Indians can misunderstand this & think it involves running away it's very common with Indians in India who renounce everything they are called Sadhu's,if you haven't been to India this wouldn't make sense to you,it doesn't mean you have a mental illness,although that is another of the many possibilities.KK
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post There's a detailed post on the phone sim situation
But Silvi is talking about the IMEI number, that's something different:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...pment_Identity

The SIM card can be exchanged easily, the IMEI number not.
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Originally Posted by federica View Post But Silvi is talking about the IMEI number, that's something different:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...pment_Identity

The SIM card can be exchanged easily, the IMEI number not.
Unfortunately, despite best efforts of all involved both SIM and IMEI tracing have yielded nothing. Neither phone nor SIM card can be traced after Jonathan's call to me on Feb 3rd when he turned his phone off to save battery as we discussed. Lynda
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Thanks for the clarification, Lynda!
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Regarding digging up stuff in this or any other thread, so to point out previously mentioned stuff or so, or to re-study something, just a reminder that any thread has a tag on top of each of its pages saying "search this thread." Click this, and you can also go "advanced" there, giving you more options to pin down your search. (Notably the combo of search string + username, handy if you have the vaguest inkling of who may have said what at some point.)

It's a handy and swift way to dig through a thread, once you get a little handy at it.
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