Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012

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#1051 Apr 6th, 2012, 17:49
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Between 19-22/2/12-last suspected sighting, by Sudama on the Laxman Jhula side of the suspension bridge. Sudama recognised the long sweater Jonathan was wearing because he had sold it to him from his shop beneath the Oasis restaurant.
Just thinking about these last sighted dates,whether J is on a Spiritual journey or not,if it was me & my visa was running out on 21st feb & i didn't want to leave for whatever reason,i would want to disappear from the beady eye of the authorities.........just coincidence???

Also interesting that Lent actually started on 22nd feb this year??

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SOS: Missing Person...

Please look at this thread: http://www.indiamike.com/india/uttar...012-a-t159252/

He could be anywhere now: You might have met him, be able to help, or give information.
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David/Lynda - There has been a lot of discussion around the spiritual aspect , J taking refuge with babas or becoming a follower. However I disagree on that aspect.

I look back at the thread and all I can sum up is He is ill or hurt. He has not chosen to be missing in anyway.

My response might not apprear in the right tone as it is very difficult to put the right words and avoid making you sad AND yet communicate the obvoius.

It has to be -
  • Media attention
  • Political Pressure to make the police run faster
  • Planned search operations on the tracks where he was spotted last. which includes villages and jungles.
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Originally Posted by Paleface View Post posters and have you seen inquires, are good but not getting eyes into areas further afield - where, let's face it few are going to be bothered to venture as it warms up and as season starts now - sadhu's will very soon be on the move higher up!!

I dunno KK, we are playing a waiting game, which if we are convinced that J. is there and on walkabout is ok. Otherwise venture capital is fast becoming the only option left if we are to keep this search on the ground active. Also we can fix anything we want into the Uttarakhand newspapers (and most Hindi dailies - from Uttarkashi) by paying off the journo's.
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Originally Posted by new_traveller View Post [*]Planned search operations on the tracks where he was spotted last. which includes villages and jungles.[/LIST]

We all know what a huge task searching the whole of the Himalaya's entails, needle in a haystack springs to mind. However if it was my relation i would be following all those tracks on foot (which David did do around the waterfall area)but there are so many tracks, where to begin? I personally would be following the old Chaar Dham Yatra trails for starters & checking out caves,also the deserted ghost villages in the area which i think Peak mentione J had a interest in earlier in the thread.
Like you say PF posters are only skimming the surface,need to delve much deeper to find someone who may not want to be found?? & yes to do this large numbers of searchers would be required which equals large amounts of $$$$$$.KK
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Originally Posted by davidgreen100 View Post Nice idea, Steven, but maybe confusing for India Mikers who might think you bear a stunning resemblance to Jonathan, or even are him.
Confusing members for a short period is standard on indiamike, have you read the 'Peeing in the sink' thread.

I was concerned about family members reaction to seeing Jonathans photo in an unusual place, but now you know what's happening.....

I think there's a very small chance that someone will come to indiamike to look for travel info, and they may recognize the photo and then look at the signature, it's a tiny chance, but one worth taking.

I figure those who have had contact with Jonathan would look at either the travel, Uttarakhand or Spirituality forums, so hopefully another member who frequents any of the other forums will do the same for a few weeks.
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We all know what a huge task searching the whole of the Himalaya's entails, needle in a haystack springs to mind. However if it was my relation i would be following all those tracks on foot (which David did do around the waterfall area)but there are so many tracks, where to begin? I personally would be following the old Chaar Dham Yatra trails for starters & checking out caves,also the deserted ghost villages in the area which i think Peak mentione J had a interest in earlier in the thread.
Like you say PF posters are only skimming the surface,need to delve much deeper to find someone who may not want to be found?? & yes to do this large numbers of searchers would be required which equals large amounts of $$$$$$.KK
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yes it is a lot of work but it is not impossible. You donīt need to search complete Himalaya. Donīt forget, most people are around 5 km from PLS and most of them are going downhills if loosing their way. So, you can fence the primary search area.

Take each path, way, track etc from this waterfall area especially to the direction where his papers were found. From there, write your own maps with GPS waypoints if there is no very good map available (1: 25 000 or 1: 20 000 or bigger) of each track you find. Follow these paths systematically.

Ask villagers and other locals (fire wood or cattle food seeker) for hidden paths. Follow each of them to the end. Search for places where you could loose the right way. Same when you go back this way. In these areas, look for leading lines like creeks, canyons, rock walls a.s.o. and search there also or points of interests like emergency shelters/ holes. Control all hazard places in this area. Look and hear out for insect and bird swarms and check these places.

Ask villagers for help to guide you and promise reward for finding traces. They know the area best of all.

Best is to take search dogs with you... but I repeat my older posts.

Is there a good online satellite map available where you can mark the finding place of his belongings and the pathes where you have been, David?
What did that Dutch search dog group answer?
I know you were in contact with my SAR dog friends in Nepal but unfortunately, they canīt help in this case.

Letīs hope he will reappear on Easter sunday after 40 days somewhere in lent... would be great...

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Okay two things that I've noticed from his Kashmir articles that I don't believe had been mentioned previously. It sounds like he is at least a moderate smoker & has a good appetite for meat & fish. They could be important clues/traits - especially in a vegetarian town such as Rishikesh.



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After an hour or two we would stop in at other houses and dry off what needed to be dried by the fire and have tea and smoke cigarettes with whoever was home.

Then we would go back to the house to sit with the family and Nizar would cook lunch. As well as his chicken curry he cooked up some cracking mutton and beef dishes. He was a fine chef.

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Could he have gone back to Naranag? Any Kashmiri members/guides who might check this out?


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Could he have gone back to Naranag? Any Kashmiri members/guides who might check this out?
That might be a tad difficult/risky without a passport/visa?? KK
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post That might be a tad difficult/risky without a passport/visa?? KK
What, to hangout in the backwoods of Kashmir with friends - having got there before one's visa expired? How so? He also talked about girls of marrying age there - perhaps he want back for romance. Who knows?, just as good or bad speculation as the caveman theory at this point.
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post What, to hangout in the backwoods of Kashmir with friends - having got there before one's visa expired? How so? He also talked about girls of marrying age there - perhaps he want back for romance. Who knows?, just as good or bad speculation as the caveman theory at this point.

Slow down Sherlock, you seem to be overlooking a vital clue.

• Sometime between 10-14th February he was in Laxman Jula where he met another traveller & discussed a book (Shantaram). Last 100% sighting.
• Rucksack (larger than a daypack but not a full size rucksack) found by small waterfall 11th March 5kms from Laxman Jula. Wet. under a rock. Passport, money etc in bag.

Doh!!! KK
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Clue No 2;

Between 19-22/2/12-last suspected sighting, by Sudama on the Laxman Jhula side of the suspension bridge. Sudama recognised the long sweater Jonathan was wearing because he had sold it to him from his shop beneath the Oasis restaurant.

Visa expired 21st feb. KK
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post • Sometime between 10-14th February he was in Laxman Jula where he met another traveller & discussed a book (Shantaram). Last 100% sighting.
• Rucksack (larger than a daypack but not a full size rucksack) found by small waterfall 11th March 5kms from Laxman Jula. Wet. under a rock. Passport, money etc in bag.
Could be a ruse or he could have been robbed & said enough of this place - I'm outta here. He had withdrawn a big stash of cash. I didn't know you absolutely needed a passport to hop on a bus in India? I guess I was wrong. Are all passports thoroughly checked upon bus entry into J&K? He talked about the very good medical treatment in Kashmir. Where is his traveling backpack then - with him in the cave?
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post I didn't know you needed a passport to hop on a bus in India? I guess I'm wrong. Where is his traveling backpack then - with him?

It would be very risky/difficult getting through the army road checkpoints between Jammu & Kashmir security is very tight up there. KK
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There is also the Jean-Baptiste Talleu case. Perhaps the two search camps can communicate, talk shop, avoid common pitfalls & save precious time through information sharing.
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Originally Posted by Snifferdog View Post Hi,

yes it is a lot of work but it is not impossible. You donīt need to search complete Himalaya. Donīt forget, most people are around 5 km from PLS and most of them are going downhills if loosing their way. So, you can fence the primary search area.

Take each path, way, track etc from this waterfall area especially to the direction where his papers were found. From there, write your own maps with GPS waypoints if there is no very good map available (1: 25 000 or 1: 20 000 or bigger) of each track you find. Follow these paths systematically.
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Exactly ! ! !
One needs to hit the shovel in the soil somewhere to big a huge hole. The above approach along with a proper search plan is what is needed.

KK I know it means huge dollars but then there needs to be some initiation to meet organizations who might be willing to fund the search. There might be few who might want to volunteer.

I/We might not be aware of this is already being done by his loved ones. IMHO this is where focus should move now.

Judging what he can or might do is difficult for someone who has not known him as a person. The only things I read are what define him in a journey and in a situation. His parents know him better and should be in a better position to confirm that he is not a person who will vanish by choice.
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Originally Posted by new_traveller View Post His parents know him better and should be in a better position to confirm that he is not a person who will vanish by choice.
Precisely! If that was indeed him wandering around Rishikesh weeks after his last contact with family & friends - then what does that say about his mindset? It's an uneasy, touchy-feely question really - to the spiritual crowd this might be extremely normal ... to the rest of us totally bizarre behavior!
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