Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012

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#931 Apr 3rd, 2012, 07:22
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Originally Posted by skids ghost View Post If Jonathon did drop out and is still in the area he’s with or known by people who keep their guard up.
I mentioned in an earlier post that it might be more productive in the long run to try and 'infiltrate' that seemingly secretive brotherhood. I'd have a 20-something guy show up in Rishikesh & start hanging out with the more 'cool' local-yokals, spend a bit of cash, smoke a few spliffs etc, &, of course have a ruse to find that special guru/cave & disappear from civilization etc. .... all the while keeping notes, taking names/numbers/license plates etc & asking the occasional & strategic pointed questions.

My guess is that you'd gain more info, hear more rumors, get more leads & get closer to the 'right' guides by that route - then by hanging posters & knocking on doors with cops etc.. especially as more & more time elapses.

It just seems to be a method that would go better with the territory & operations of that region.
We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time. ~
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David & Lynda

I have asked this before, but I don't think I have got a reply.

1. Does Jonathan have an Indian SIM card (I guess one was found with his day pack)?

2. If he has then you would have the number and know the service provider.

3. The service provider would be able to track the coordinates of the phone's location.

If the above has been taken care of and ruled out please let us know since it is bugging me. Yes, I understand that in that terrain the signal strength could be weak and such.

That kidney stone pain could be significant in that he could have been led to believe that a "naturapath" or local "doctor" would cure it and he is recuperating.

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Nattu,

There was David's recent:

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Originally Posted by davidgreen100 View Post Thanks, New Traveller,
We have Jonathan's phone records and the details from where each call was made. This information has helped us to build a picture of his last known movements
And then the earlier by Lynda:

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Originally Posted by davidgreen100 View Post Good idea and checked it out - both Indian SIM card and phone tracing have drawn a blank - last call was with me on 3rd Feb @ 9.18am from LJ. Lynda
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post Capt, you could contact this place which is in the right area;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZzCzNZFwqA
That youtube is not playing for me.

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#935 Apr 3rd, 2012, 09:12
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Captain,
The contact info from the video is:
Lok Anand Yoga Sadhana Kutir
dhaniram@hotmail.com
Yogi Dhaniram 0940929168, 09412989413

I do appreciate your efforts in making these contacts.
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Some off-topic posts have been deleted.

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wrt kullukid's last post and

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Originally Posted by skids ghost View Post Captain,
The contact info from the video is:
Lok Anand Yoga Sadhana Kutir
dhaniram@hotmail.com
Yogi Dhaniram 0940929168, 09412989413

I do appreciate your efforts in making these contacts.

Called (second number above. first does not work). Lady told me nobody from that name (or my rough description of J) has been there. They do not keep records, so I have emailed the poster and requested her/Yogi Dhaniram to reply in case it rings a bell.

Thanks, skids ghost, for posting the details.
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Originally Posted by cassiopeia View Post @kullukid: try this one http://wikimapia.org/5729175/Swiss-baba-s-Ashram
you have to zoom in .
I zoomed in on the wikimap and found that it showed numerous places and even walking tracks named and indicated. Wikimap has far more place information than the same satellite images on Google Maps. I was able to explore some locations well down the river from the Swiss baba's ashram.

Before now I had been unable to locate on Google Maps the waterfall and stream where Jonathan's belonging were found. Wikimap shows, several hundred metres to the east of the Neelkanth bridge on the Ganges and on the south side of the river, a route or path with a Russian name, дорога к водопаду which translates to road/path to the waterfall.

Even now I am unsure if the watercourse reached by this path contains the waterfall/campsite used by Jonathan although the location matches the information provided in this thread by the searchers in Rishikesh.

I'm afraid this information is just of interest to those of us who have tried to follow the thread without ever having walked in the rough country around Rishikesh.

Coordinates of the campsite would be interesting but perhaps of practical value only if another ground search was made.
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Question: would it help increase visibility/hits from travellers in India if all indiamikers reading this changed their signatures, directing people to the first page of this thread?

I have already changed mine.
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It IS bizarre, and not in-keeping with our ideas of Indian hospitality. But strange things like this do happen. I was refused accommodation by more than one hotel in Krishnanagar, West Bengal. IMer Mousourik went there a couple of years later and asked them why and the manager said they didn't accept single foreign females in case they committed suicide . My point is just that hotel owners can sometimes have funny ideas, especially where foreigners are concerned.

This not-eating thing does crop up a lot though.

Jonathan had more than once visited that non-eating baba (in Gujurat?). He thought he had been kicked out of the guesthouse for not eating (whatever the reason for being kicked out, this does show that he probably wasn't eating, or not much anyway). He mentioned in conversation in early Feb that he had done a 10-day fast with a friend.

I am loathe to say anything that would upset David and Lynda, and noticed that David omitted the meeting with Stefan and Dermot on his timeline of events. Given the fact that they had a long interesting chat, they were all irish and had cultural common ground etc, I wonder why it was omitted and questioned whether I should contribute my thoughts any further based on the daily discussion I have with Stefan here at home during dinner. We talk about Jonathan every single day.

One thing I remember Stef saying weeks ago was that unfortunately J looked so thin and unwell, that he hoped the generally friendly Indian people would not react to him in a negative way.
What I find interesting, and more so since Lynda told us about his kidney stones and need for treatment, is how strong this young man must be. He mentioned being sick but there was no complaining in the few hours that they spoke.

(I remember having a nasty kidney infection once and I was passing blood. I fainted regularly and was in immense pain, literally curled up in a ball, I could do nothing except stay in bed for days.)

So, given the fact that J was going through a toughy in terms of his health, by all accounts he seemed to be in good spirits and 'together'

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sorry i was quoting the first section from one of Julia fs posts. Im still not good at the quotes etc.

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Hi Ruth, I've fixed your quote .

If you want to quote a post when you are replying, click the red 'quote' button in the bottom right of the post. If you want to quote several posts, click 'quote+' on all of them and then click 'post reply' and all the quotes will be lined up for you.
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also fully aware that what i say is second hand info and therefore less accurate. is it better to say nothing than post second hand information?
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Originally Posted by StefRuth View Post also fully aware that what i say is second hand info and therefore less accurate. is it better to say nothing than post second hand information?
Most of us are quoting speculation so I think second hand information is likely to be much more valuable so keep going. This is a public forum and anyone can comment and, considering where things are at currently, more is better than less even if it's just to keep this thread alive and active and more likely to be seen by those in or about to travel to India.

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Originally Posted by StefRuth View Post So, given the fact that J was going through a toughy in terms of his health, by all accounts he seemed to be in good spirits and 'together'
This is a good point Ruth, thankyou. I also noticed that J's meeting with Stef and Dermot wasn't on David's timeline. Maybe because he knew it had already been mentioned in this thread.

Ruth, when was this meeting approximately? David, if you would like us to add this to your detailed timeline post, just mention it here and one of the mods will add it in.
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