Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012

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Originally Posted by federica View Post Actually for me it's still possible that he has been robbed. His wallet and phone were not among the found items. Could still be that a robber has taken wallet and phone, didn't find the seperately stored money and while running away threw away medical card and unnecessary paper stuff. This scenario could have happened:
It could have, he had been robbed recently in Nepal.

Can I ask a question, how common is it to be robbed in India & among the backpacker scene? a) extremely rare, b)happens on occasion, c)petty thefts happen quite often in and amongst these more frugal travelers.
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At least it happened to a former schoolfellow, he was lucky and could escape, his friend lost his life.
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Originally Posted by federica View Post At least it happened to a former schoolfellow, he was lucky and could escape, his friend lost his life.
Gosh Federica - so sorry to hear about that. Did it happen near Rishikesh?

It sounds a bit preposterous, but what are the possibilities of the reemergence of some sort of thuggee-esque cult operating in that region?

Seems like more than a few people have gone AWOL from there in recent years & yet in some strange way these disappearance can all get somewhow justified by the more spiritual minds. A perfect scenario/locale/front by which to operate for the more nefarious types really.

I wouldn't rule anything out in India.
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It happened not near Rishikesh, but in the Himalayas, as far as I remember near Manali. It was in the 1990ies, and at that time considered to be safe to camp in that area. I got it only from the newspaper, and then I realized that it was my former schoolfellow when I read his name.

Later this area became quite unsafe and other traveller disappeared, too.

Edit: it was Parvati Valley
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post Gosh Federica - so sorry to hear about that. Did it happen near Rishikesh?

It sounds a bit preposterous, but what are the possibilities of the reemergence of some sort of thuggee-esque cult operating in that region?


I wouldn't rule anything out in India.

Peak, were you once a newspaper reporter???

There were a few deaths & disappearances in Kullu & parvati valleys 10-20yrs ago.
Most recent one was a Israeli 2-3yrs ago on a trek to Khir Ganga with a group of other Israelis, i can't remember the full details or outcome, but i think there was a suggestion they could have fought amongst themselves.KK
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Seems like more than a few people have gone AWOL from there in recent years & yet in some strange way these disappearance can all get somewhow justified by the more spiritual minds.]
What are you trying to say??

I suppose you'll be having a dig at Israeli druggies in a min? KK
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post There were a few deaths & disappearances in Kullu & parvati valleys 10-20yrs ago.

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Shtainmetz had gone trekking with a friend from Khirganga, a hamlet in Parvati valley of Kullu and hasn't been seen since.

He is the 19th foreign tourist to have gone missing in the valley since 1992. The police in collaboration with Israeli agencies and David Shtainmetz, father of the missing, had launched widespread search operations, but to no avail.

Special police teams have been deployed to trace the missing foreigners but to no major results.

Only the case of Australian tourist Burfitt Jacqueline Louise, who was reported missing in June 1993, was solved and she was traced.

As per records almost 57 foreigners have died in the region in the last ten years and most of them due to accidents or drug overdose.

http://www.eturbonews.com/11765/larg...r-kullu-valley


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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post What are you trying to say??
I'm saying that 'they've gone on a spiritual walkabout' seems to be common rhetoric coming from that region. Cozy, pacifying & perhaps very misleading at times ......
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I was wondering - and I apologize if this has already been contacted - whether anyone has checked the Krishnamurti ashram in Uttarkashi:
http://www.j-krishnamurti.org/ut.pdf


Is Jonathan a Catholic by upbringing?

Krishnamurti preaches the questioning of all religions and the embracing of all religions.
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Emailed krc (from link in TD's post above) with enquiry/poster. Midnight, so too late to call them.
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Originally Posted by theyyamdancer View Post I was wondering - and I apologize if this has already been contacted - whether anyone has checked the Krishnamurti ashram in Uttarkashi: http://www.j-krishnamurti.org/ut.pdf Is Jonathan a Catholic by upbringing? Krishnamurti preaches the questioning of all religions and the embracing of all religions.
It's not there any longer, closed up for lack of students i'd guess, the land has now been bought. p.s. several years back that is...
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OK, sorry, somebody on IndiaMike was enquiring today about that ashram and it gave me an idea.
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Originally Posted by theyyamdancer View Post OK, sorry, somebody on IndiaMike was enquiring today about that ashram and it gave me an idea.
Koi baat nahin.

I certainly have completely doubted that J. is in Uttarkashi region (six hrs from Rishi) or even further up the valley to Gangotri. Certainly no way is he beyond there because it's dangerous and no one would let you go up anyway. It's only this coming week that the Forest dept. are sending up a scouting party to check the lay of the land to see if they will issue any permits for early April.

I know the local FRO/LIU (local intelligence unit) boss very well in UK, so no problem to check it out anyway. We looked at the C forms and possibilities and he shared a few insights as to how they go about their work. Often we tend to joke off the Police as Keystones or something but when we really need them to knuckle down and get our work done, their 'intelligence' and reading of the situation is on the whole spot on... not in the least because they have seen it ALL before.

He assured me that there's only a very slim chance that any foreigner could remain unknown hereabouts or be camping in some abandoned hamlet for any length of time, adding that he thought the same goes for all Uttarakhand. Indian citizens, saddhu or otherwise will not want to run foul of the law. Anyone hosting a foreigner for any length of time, will or should know that is an offence to do so without that foreigner being registered. The party would be liable to a hard time from the LIU. Why? Security is one aspect with many sensitive border areas and installations in the state, and also to stop exactly this scenario we are discussing.
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Originally Posted by federica View Post Actually for me it's still possible that he has been robbed. His wallet and phone were not among the found items. Could still be that a robber has taken wallet and phone, didn't find the seperately stored money and while running away threw away medical card and unnecessary paper stuff. This scenario could have happened:

a) with violence (hopefully not)

b) in the absence of Jonathan (but then where is he.... maybe accident on a daytrek, meditating in a cave, whatever)
I agree, itīs another possibility. But in case of violence, he must be somewhere in the region where it happened (otherwise he would have come back to town and maybe would have asked police or his consulate). A fictitious fighting place maybe would be between the finding place of his lost papers and an area around his camping place. I donīt know if one could find traces of a fight.

Iīm sorry I donīt want to sound so negatively all the time but most search missions I was involved in Germany happened after very simply reasons why people get lost. Things like accidents, simply lost the way, suddenly severe illness, teenagers runaways, shock or drunken after car accident, drunken in a river, dementia, suicide, and a very few times murdered. More than 70% of the missing persons in these cases did not survive, the rest was found alive.

All other cases if they were not found while search mission, people found back home within few hours or maybe after one day, themselves (they sometimes have been for shopping in the city and took wrong bus, "slept away" blood alcohol after accident, or were sleeping in friendīs houses after it was to late to go home and something like this).
There are very few cases that are not solved by today, especially when little girls disappeared and may have become victims of abuse. Only one case I remember from last 25 years, when a man made "wrong traces" to "fake" a suicide but in reality he was on his way to airport and to start a new life in Thailand. But airport police picked him up.

I know, India is not Middle-Europe. I learned here at IM that especially Rishikesh seems to be an area where other reasons might be found to "seem" to get lost. After this long time, it would be the best case. At least, he must be somewhere. Earth is not a disc to fall down from its edge.

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Originally Posted by Snifferdog View Post Iīm sorry I donīt want to sound so negatively all the time but most search missions I was involved in Germany happened after very simply reasons why people get lost. Things like accidents, simply lost the way, suddenly severe illness, teenagers runaways, shock or drunken after car accident, drunken in a river, dementia, suicide, and a very few times murdered. More than 70% of the missing persons in these cases did not survive, the rest was found alive.

Best regards,
Daniela

He could easily have crossed the border into Nepal or headed off to Mumbai for all we know. He told his Mum that it was either a 'spiritual thing' or 'spiritual journey' & that he would be in touch. Then he shows up a week late chatting up a storm & with Shantaram the unofficial 'backpacker's bible' high on his mind. Nothing makes sense to this point, what to do?
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Originally Posted by theyyamdancer View Post I was wondering - and I apologize if this has already been contacted - whether anyone has checked the Krishnamurti ashram in Uttarkashi:
http://www.j-krishnamurti.org/ut.pdf


Is Jonathan a Catholic by upbringing?

Krishnamurti preaches the questioning of all religions and the embracing of all religions.
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Originally Posted by Paleface View Post It's not there any longer, closed up for lack of students i'd guess, the land has now been bought. p.s. several years back that is...



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No, Sir, to my knowledge, no such person visited our retreat.
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