Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012

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#781 Mar 27th, 2012, 22:04
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Originally Posted by new_traveller View Post [*]Very importantly - What about his phone call records? Did he call anyone after 2nd week of feb when he spoke with Lynda? Did he call any local travel agents? Any friends who have not come up with any additional information? Did he call his work? Did he have any arguments? Any sms details?
As far as I remember his last call was with Lynda on 2nd or 3rd of February when he told her that he changed his plans and would not call for sometime. In the 2nd week of February he met another female traveller and talked about the book Shantaram with her, after that he was not seen anymore.
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What to know about search dogs: We know different kinds of search dogs. Area search dogs search off-leash and search for the scent of every living human beings. Dependently from the area, vegetation and wind, they can find the scent of a living person by the air scenting method in distance between 20 and 300 m. Dogs are able to run through difficult area like thick brush and steep hills.
In case of a dead person, you would need a dog with special training for dead person´s scent. Otherwise, the dog will not find or not show if he has found. This can be a big problem in using police dogs who are only trained to find (living) criminals.

Mantrailing dogs can follow the traces an individual person has lost on his trail. It is not possible to loose NO scent while walking. These scent particles are found by the dog, still after days but not after weeks. For using a mantrailer dog you need a warm trail, means not older than few days, maybe 1 (2) weeks. The younger the better. The dogs need a scent article (clothes, cigarette, tooth brush...) of the missing person to know which person they have to search, and they need a PLS.

Tracking dogs, means as usually police dogs, don´t follow the individual scent of a person, but only the foot steps and scent of „injured“ soil, plants and so on. They are not able to work after more than 1-2 days old trails because this kind of scent will disappear soon. They need a PLS also.
Both, Mantrailers and Tracking dogs, work on-leash.

Water search dogs are special dogs for searching victims in rivers and lakes. They can sniff the scent film on water surface that is built when a (dead) person is in or under water.

I wouldn´t give up hope but if Jonathan is in trouble somewhere in wilderness around his PLS, his chance for surviving is not good. An Australian named James Scott survived after getting lost in the Langtang Himal/ Nepal for four weeks in the middle of winter. He wrote a book about it.
But in case of illness, exhaustion, hypothermia or if injured, it is hard to survive more than few days in wilderness. If no water available, maximum 72 hours, and if no food as usually maximum 3 weeks. So if Jonathan is there in the forest and if he is still alive (I pray for it), it is very important to search and find him as fast as possible.
For an effective search, I advise to use helicopters and (!!!) experienced air scent dogs (for dead+living scent), and if there are bigger rivers, deep enough to go under surface, water search dogs also.
I don´t know if there are such search dog teams are available in India. I posted some links I found in internet in trekkingforum and they were put here, also. But I know about a Dutch SearchDog Group that would go for search missions worldwide. I don´t know them personally but I´ve read their mission reports. So maybe it would be an idea to contact them for help. http://www.reddingshonden.nl/English.htm

With best wishes,
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post Interesting. He was carrying a bible & his latest images did have that 'prophet' look to them imo.
Not to contravene, only to add: To me, he looks just like y'r average Indian traveler, who come a dime a dozen* (or indeed, like "travelers"/budgeteers/backpackers whatever we want to call it anywhere). While not my look-alike, I certainly fit that category. I guess many members here would.

* Not in any negative sense, of course, handsome fellow rather.
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Not to contravene, only to add: To me, he looks just like y'r average Indian traveler, who come a dime a dozen* (or indeed, like "travelers"/budgeteers/backpackers whatever we want to call it anywhere).
Not at all, I've seen them with shaved heads, dreadlocks, and a wide assortment of facial hair styles. But Jonathan's look (especially with bible) would not be a style that I could say that I've seen an over abundance of amongst Indian travelers. It may mean nothing ... or it may be a clue to his train of thought & itinerary.



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Originally Posted by federica View Post As far as I remember his last call was with Lynda on 2nd or 3rd of February when he told her that he changed his plans and would not call for sometime. In the 2nd week of February he met another female traveller and talked about the book Shantaram with her, after that he was not seen anymore.
He said that he was going on a trek and that he would keep checking his mobile for reception. Then he apparently appears in Rishikesh a few weeks later (talking Shantaram) & his last recorded phone record is still only of the February 3rd timeline. Extremely unusual!
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Thanks for being in with excellent input, Snifferdog.

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Originally Posted by Snifferdog View Post I don´t know if there are such search dog teams are available in India. I posted some links I found in internet in trekkingforum and they were put here, also. But I know about a Dutch SearchDog Group that would go for search missions worldwide. I don´t know them personally but I´ve read their mission reports. So maybe it would be an idea to contact them for help. http://www.reddingshonden.nl/English.htm
I don't know if this link went missing amidst some of my earlier ramblings, but this Indian organization claims to be involved with search & rescue operations. No idea if that would be deployed for individuals (rather than entire expeditions, or in case of natural disasters or so), but could be worth contacting if that hasn't already been done: East West Rescue, http://www.eastwestrescue.com/. I don't know anything more about them than that a good member here once suggested them for possible medical assistance in the country.

I do understand from earlier reports here by the family that the police on the ground, as well as -- or in coordination with? -- experienced trekking teams I take it, had already conducted comprehensive searches of the area and including with dogs, btw. Which kind of dogs or how comprehensive precisely, I of course don't know.
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No idea if that would be deployed for individuals (rather than entire expeditions, or in case of natual disasters or so), but could be worth contacting if that hasn't already been done: East West Rescue, http://www.eastwestrescue.com/.
Hi,
yes this is the link I posted in trekkingforum.com and it was crossposted here, also. I don´t know how they work but it´s worth to ask them for help. But I know that this dutch search dog group is searching for individuals getting lost worldwide and not only after disasters.


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I do understand from earlier reports here by the family that the police on the ground, as well as experienced trekking teams I believe, had already conducted comprehensive searches of the area and including with dogs, btw. Which kind of dogs or how comprehensive precisely, I of course don't know.
Yes, I´ve read it also and I´m sure they´ve done their very best. But same time, I know very well how difficult it is to search heavy areas exactly. I have no idea how experienced the search party is in search missions, tacticals and so on. I´ve read also that David was worried if one of the volunteers would have an accident by this difficult terrain while searching. If searching without well-trained air scenting dogs, you need a really big team and strict discipline and must be very fit in navigation and keeping search grids.
As I understood, the police brought 1 police dog. One dog in a large, heavy area is not much at all and what I ask me, what was the training skills of this dog? If he was a common tracking dog (working on leash???), he would not have had little change to find a trace of Jonathan. This does not mean the dog was a bad trained one, it depends on the methods you teach your dog. I know excellent Mantrailer dogs but after 4 weeks they can not do anything - it´s simply nature of this method! And for worst case, your dog must be trained for dead scent. I don´t know if this police dog was.

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Originally Posted by federica View Post As far as I remember his last call was with Lynda on 2nd or 3rd of February when he told her that he changed his plans and would not call for sometime. In the 2nd week of February he met another female traveller and talked about the book Shantaram with her, after that he was not seen anymore.
That is what we have heard from Lynda. I was referring to the records from the mobile company.
Someone should have done this - maybe the police. but still if it is not done then getting a detailed call record for the mobile number. Trying to analyze whom he called and what he spoke in case some of the numbers are unknown or local.
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Originally Posted by new_traveller View Post Trying to analyze whom he called and what he spoke in case some of the numbers are unknown or local.
Good point! local numbers would be of the utmost importance.

Question: Since he said that he would keep trying his mobile phone - Do Mobile phone servers have records of when users turn on / turn off their phones &/or attain reception acknowledgements?

It seems to me that they do - although these records may not be directly recorded or readily apparent on the user's immediate account/bill file. They may be archived and have to be accessed/pulled by a separate process.
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Originally Posted by new_traveller View Post That is what we have heard from Lynda. I was referring to the records from the mobile company.
In my reading, this has been checked out. Post #667 here:

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Originally Posted by davidgreen100 View Post Good idea and checked it out - both Indian SIM card and phone tracing have drawn a blank - last call was with me on 3rd Feb @ 9.18am from LJ. Lynda
Of course if phone records previous to that have been carefully analyzed I don't know.
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I think snifferdogs advice to search the area with trained dogs again is really relevant.


Beside this, if he was talking about trekking and a spiritual thing - Chota Char dham Yatra comes to my mind.
I actually don´t know if the whole route is accessible at this time of the year ...

but still there is this fact, that his belongings were found at the waterfall and you wouldn´t go for Char dham without sleeping bags and other stuff.
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Originally Posted by new_traveller View Post That is what we have heard from Lynda. I was referring to the records from the mobile company.
If it were me - I would contact a mobile phone software techie to tell me exactly what transmission data that I should expect to be able to access from any given service provider.

The fact that his last 'completed' phone call was at 9/10 am on the morning of February 3rd is a good start though......


Any telecommunication software techies out there?


Also his website!? His mobile appeared to be set so as to receive text/messages sent to his website email. Therefore his website's server may have pertinent information other than what his communications service provider may be able to provide. It really depends on how he was 'set up'. Definitely worth exploring - PRONTO!
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Originally Posted by new_traveller View Post Capt or Lynda has summarized the events in posts which come too late in the thread.
Mods - Can an updated document/link be put on the 1st post? (federica had comeup with the same suggestion in post 420)
Good idea new_traveller. I have put a link in the first post so that readers can jump to the update post which Lynda did on March 18th.
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post It might be worth you explaining what Akhara means for the sake of David & Lynda & yes anything is worth checking & you are the main man when it comes to knowledge/contacts in this department.
Well it’s true that we do know plenty of people who have completely cast off their identity as a snake sloughs off an old skin. It is not unusual, it is unusual for a foreigner to choose to do that, even more baffling to do so alone and suddenly, at Phool Chatti area ghats. Wouldn’t one do a little ritual, burn the passport or something, give your kit to the needy?

I personally don't much subscribe to this notion, but if i did then Juna Akhara would seem the most likely bet, as opposed to the Vaisnava/Rama Akhara's, and with Juna also having several foreign baba's and even foreign Shri Mahants, e.g. Ram Puri now better known for his book (btw not promoting it or him at all). 'Course the Juna Akhara ashram is in Hardwar 27kms downstream. Let’s see then..
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PaleFace, I think KulluKid meant can you briefly describe the concept of an akhara and to the layperson, as distinct from an ashram. All this stuff can be pretty bewildering to the lay onlooker, and possibly hearing all these terms for the first time.

I guess an akhara would be more like a sadhu camp, but in fact these details would be beyond me, too. I could look into it some more, but I think some of you would be better able to answer.
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I guess an akhara would be more like a sadhu camp, but in fact these details would be beyond me, too. I could look into it some more, but I think some of you would be better able to answer.
More or less right;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhara
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