Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012

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#736 Mar 26th, 2012, 22:46
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Originally Posted by StefRuth View Post not suggesting he has been literally sucked into something dodgy either, maybe just an alternative way of living for a spell
Don't you think he would he have told his Mum? It would be uncharacteristic of a professional to induce such sudden worry to immediate family & friends by going AWOL in such manner. Loved ones can establish long term health issues for alot less.


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Originally Posted by cassiopeia View Post So, if you have a precise name of a baba in Rishikesh who is leading some cult you can forward it. If you know a baba Jonathan is following than do the same - as long as not, in respect to the topic of this threat, stop your cult-theories, please
The defensiveness/ire/venom drawn from the spiritual types on the mere suggestion of there being a slightly darker side to the various mind cleansing rituals/procedures available today is quite alarming & speaks volumes actually.
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post So far the search for Jonathon has mainly been restricted to Rishikesh & Joshimath/Chopta area,we all know what a vast area the Himalaya's are to cover,but based on the assumption that Jonathon has gone on a "Spiritual walkabout" i think we should start spreading the net over a much wider area.

I was thinking that it may be a good idea to have a seperate thread where members could strictly post contact details of various small guesthouses they may know of or have stayed at in the hills of Uttarakhand & Himachal Pradesh,in fact most of the details we need will probably be available in the hotel listings of IM.

If we had a list of phone numbers & email add's then maybe someone could volunteer to systematically go through the list & contact the GH's asking them to display a poster in each town/village, this way we could cover the whole of the Himalaya's in a short time.

Thought's on this anyone/Mod's????
I personally am not keen on having separate threads as it will lead to more conversations for David and Lynda and Jonathan's friends to follow. But I think it's a great idea KK to systematically contact guesthouses in the smaller places in Uttarakhand and Himachal, asking them to display posters and to distribute other posters to any eating places and chai stalls etc.

I would suggest that if there is someone who is fairly familiar with the area and has time, they could volunteer to compile a list from our IM hotel listings, from other threads here, from Lonely Planet etc. But maybe wait until David or Lynda or George Dargan says 'Yes, please do that' in case it it already being done.

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Originally Posted by cassiopeia View Post Didn´t want to interfer but I send a email with the missing poster to three Rafting resorts around Garud Chatti - maybe you´ve already done that.
Please don't think it's interfering Cassiopeia! I'm sure Jonathan's family would like all of us to contact everyone we can think of in the area. No harm at all for them to receive an email with the posters more than once .
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Originally Posted by StefRuth View Post not suggesting he has been literally sucked into something dodgy either, maybe just an alternative way of living for a spell
In which case, would it not cross one's mind that a change of gear, passport, documents and wallet would be useful after that spell is over?
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post Don't you think he would he have told his Mum? It would be uncharacteristic of a professional to induce such sudden worry to immediate family & friends by going AWOL in such manner. Loved ones can establish long term health issues for alot less.
Well the worrying family thing works both ways Peak, he may have been worried that if he'd said i'm off to live with some naked men in some caves up in the hills,his family would start imagining cults, brainwashing & allsorts of things that the uninitiated tend to imagine.KK
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post Well the worrying family thing works both ways Peak, he may have been worried that if he'd said i'm off to live with some naked men in some caves up in the hills,his family would start imagining cults, brainwashing & allsorts of things that the uninitiated tend to imagine.KK
True. One man's cult is another man's spiritual experience of a lifetime.
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Originally Posted by JuliaF View Post I would suggest that if there is someone who is fairly familiar with the area and has time, they could volunteer to compile a list from our IM hotel listings, from other threads here, from Lonely Planet etc. But maybe wait until David or Lynda or George Dargan says 'Yes, please do that' in case it it already being done.
Or alternatively, and to make it less of a daunting task, different people could do lists for Garwhal, Kumaon and Himachal ??
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Originally Posted by JuliaF View Post Or alternatively, and to make it less of a daunting task, different people could do lists for Garwhal, Kumaon and Himachal ??
That's all very well, but is it seriously within a reasonable stretch of the imagination that J. would take off to Kumaon, upper Garhwal, and it's long way to HP, with no money, with nothing?
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Originally Posted by Paleface View Post In which case, would it not cross one's mind that a change of gear, passport, documents and wallet would be useful after that spell is over?
Yes but there could have been a point here where rational thinking became harder. Illness/ sleep dep/ injury/ etc.



But, of course, you can still 'live' without a passport, documents etc. Perhaps freedom from all of these identifiers was what he felt was needed.

And as for other peoples worry. Some people just dont get it or normally get it but get distracted. (Im talking about my other half. Hes awol again today.. Off out in the ocean somewhere. It could be off any Irish coast.
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Originally Posted by StefRuth View Post Perhaps freedom from all of these identifiers was what he felt was needed.
Clearly the man was nobody's fool and i'm sure he would have realised that freedom is a perception, nothing to do with the mundane really.

Of course the pain from passing a stone can be excruciating, it was mentioned he had an ultrasound test, the stone can move at any time and in that case i agree that thoughts about the practicalities of international travel would not be uppermost.
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Originally Posted by Paleface View Post Clearly the man was nobody's fool and i'm sure he would have realised that freedom is a perception, nothing to do with the mundane really.

hes only 28.
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His history indicates that he was, willingly or unwillingly, susceptible to the pitches from scammers. Here is a quote from an article that he wrote a few years back.

To me it either suggests that he enjoys certain aspects of being taking for a bit of a ride or can very gullible when approached by nefarious sales people. This could be a significant clue or mean nothing at all:

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I was only going to be in India for a week and the travel agent - the industry equivalent of a Texan snake-oil salesman - informed me with faux sympathy that there were no available train seats to Dharamsala for the next three days and given that it was an overnight journey from Delhi, it wouldn't really be feasible for me to get there and have time to organize a trek.

So he showed me pictures of Kashmir on his laptop, a place of lush green valleys and crystal glacial lakes abundant with trout (and big commissions for travel agents, I later discovered). A trekker's dream. Only those pictures were taken in summer. But what to do? I was in Delhi, without a plan, my first day already over. I needed to move fast to have any chance of seeing some nature. So I chanced it, and handed over an exorbitant sum of cash.
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post I was thinking that it may be a good idea to have a seperate thread
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Originally Posted by JuliaF View Post I personally am not keen on having separate threads as it will lead to more conversations for David and Lynda and Jonathan's friends to follow.
My personal opinion too is that we're better off keeping to a single thread but I'd like us to take our lead from J's family/relatives: if it would be useful to them to have a seperate thread let's do it.

Obviously a lack of clutter in this thread would help matters, but please don't think I'm suggesting that people should stop voicing their ideas. Peak, KK and everyone else has valid ideas and discussing in the open will eventually - we all hope I'm sure - lead to the eureka moment that will lead to J.

Hats of to all of you who've contributed to the search so far, be it making the posters, coming up with ideas, relentless phoning and emailing and so on. Even though I can't contribute much to this search I feel quite proud to be part of a community that has acted the way you all have.

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I think this is an excellent point (and sorry for sounding like i was actually in india myself talking to Jon, I was not. So this is secondary info from S)...

From what I have gathered, this idea of not having a plan was probably happening again. You know the way you get when youre about to return home from a journey.. Sometimes youre ready to go home and sometimes youre not..

Speculation again and nowt thats not been said before but maybe he was after a story with a mixture of personal curiosity and professional interest. Possible he got into a situation over his own head. Maybe he returned to the spot where the bag was, with somebody.. Maybe he made a grand gesture of screwing up the documents (ticket whatever else) saying.. Oh my bag is gone .. at the wrong spot, knowing full well it was there thinking to himself.. at least somebody will find my bag and have a clue where to look for me.

Is he on a 'shantaram' style adventure? Immersing himself in a particular group of people and treading a fine line on where he stands within this group. One of them or curious outsider? Maybe he is 'stuck' in a situation where he cant make contact with home but also feels that he will get out of this one and that everything will be ok.

This is an alternative and more 'juicy' possibility to the idea that he went walking, ended up getting suddenly sick/ in pain then got lost and ended up in a village with people that don't speak english and that don't know that there is a search on for him.
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Originally Posted by StefRuth View Post I think this is an excellent point (and sorry for sounding like i was actually in india myself talking to Jon, I was not. So this is secondary info from S)...

From what I have gathered, this idea of not having a plan was probably happening again. You know the way you get when youre about to return home from a journey.. Sometimes youre ready to go home and sometimes youre not..

Speculation again and nowt thats not been said before but maybe he was after a story with a mixture of personal curiosity and professional interest. Possible he got into a situation over his own head. Maybe he returned to the spot where the bag was, with somebody.. Maybe he made a grand gesture of screwing up the documents (ticket whatever else) saying.. Oh my bag is gone .. at the wrong spot, knowing full well it was there thinking to himself.. at least somebody will find my bag and have a clue where to look for me.

Is he on a 'shantaram' style adventure? Immersing himself in a particular group of people and treading a fine line on where he stands within this group. One of them or curious outsider? Maybe he is 'stuck' in a situation where he cant make contact with home but also feels that he will get out of this one and that everything will be ok.

This is an alternative and more 'juicy' possibility to the idea that he went walking, ended up getting suddenly sick/ in pain then got lost and ended up in a village with people that don't speak english and that don't know that there is a search on for him.

"Shantaram" is a work of fiction.
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"Shantaram" is a work of fiction.

No really?!? its not even that good is it?
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