Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012

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#346 Mar 10th, 2012, 15:34
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sorry but don't have more info. was at the ps. someone called the station in-charge saying someone looking like jonathan was sighted near joshimath. thats all.
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Ah yes, I think David already mentioned that there was a possible sighting near Joshimath. I'm sure he and the police are investigating that.
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The Holy man in the photo's with Jonathon is the famous Prahlad Jani who allegedly doesn't eat food,he lives in Gujerat,so Jonathon obviously did have a fascination/interest in some Holy men going by the big smile in the photo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prahlad_Jani

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.A brief follow on to say we contacted some officials in Chanoli District to see if any place formally (or locally named) Nyaneth exists - unfortunately it appears not to exist as currently spelled. We have also relayed to them the possible sighting of Jonathan in Josinath. It is important to note that all the towns/villages ending with 'nath' are believed to have spirittual/relegious significance in the area- the fact that he may have been planning on heading to one of them at least gives one additional lead/link to explore or concentrate on. For any India Mike travelers in that part of Uttarakand, it may be good to raise awareness in any of the 'naths' including Kedranath, Badrinath,,Ukinath, Tangnath. One additional point, it may be good to ask in these places whether there is any nearby locations whereby Sadhus tend to retreat to including some of the caves – we understand that a of Sadhus try to get away to even quieter or remote areas as part of their spiritual practices. Gordon
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<cross-posted with Gordon just now>

ps For what it's worth, what papers to contact has been addressed before on this thread, and let our Indian or other members who are up-to-speed with the region be your first resource on it, by all means, they have already said which papers should be relevant for the Rishikesh/Garhwal region (of Uttarakhand, formerly Uttaranchal; before that, a northern part of Uttar Pradesh). --> If some members think I'm stating the obvious, I may well be, but with such asides I hope to quickly fill in some interested parties on some details.

However, a good resource on papers worldwide, and in this case their India section, would be Thousands of Newspapers on the Net: http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/india.htm. It is truly a massive page in itself to dig through, so again let members in the know here be your guide; but thought I'd pass it along.
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Nyaneth

Could it, a remote possibility I admit, be referring to Nain Nath, a singer who gave a concert last week?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOyGI3LLhYg
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Originally Posted by georgedargan View Post If anyone here could come up with any ideas (that we likely would not think of/be aware of) on some big tasks that would be beneficial for us all to get cracking on over here it would be much appreciated.(lists of other places/people we should contact etc.)
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It is difficult for anybody to suggest what else can be done without knowing what is already being done. At this stage (5 weeks after the event).

-are the cops doing enough?
-phone records/GPS tracking or tower information?
-ditto for ATM, cards, email accounts (if possible) etc.
-possible sightings at Joshimath being aggressively tracked down?

What remains critical is the answer to this question- If J is not in Rishikesh/Haridwar, how did he get out?

He had to go somewhere somehow. The somehow can tell you where the somewhere is likely to be, or eliminate areas from the search. (for eg, a train sighting will confirm he is unlikely to be in the hills). I hope somebody - cops and others- are trying to follow his footsteps carefully and doggedly.

It seems to me (and I am guessing) that the search is concentrating only on Uttaranchal. Besides the sightings at Joshimath (to be confirmed), I hope there any other compelling reasons why this is so. (A trek may mean the hills. A spiritual search- as the pics show above, that somebody said are from Gujarat- can lead one anywhere).

I may be wrong, but I think the search needs to be narrowed down, else it will be too dependent on luck.
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<cross-posted>

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Originally Posted by Gordon Shannon View Post We have also relayed to them the possible sighting of Jonathan in Josinath.
Yes; remember however the common rendering is Joshimath, apparently also known as Jyotirmath, or Jyotir Math.

It will not be related to this "nath" business; rather, "matha" or "math" or "mutt" I think would mean a Hindu or Jain monastery-like institution. "Jyoti" according to Wikipedia means "'auspicious flame' in Sanskrit," and I think the word is again commonly associated with Shiva, whom indeed Shaivite sadhus follow (Shaivite, or Saivite, or Shaiva, or Saiva = those who follow Shiva. The other main sect of sadhus would be Vaishnavite, or Vaishnava, so those following Vishnu. There exist numerous sub-sects among them, and there exist other sects and their sub-sects not related to either. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of these explanations of mine, folks.) As in the jyotirlinga = (roughly) a naturally-formed lingam, associated with Shiva.

None of this will lead you much further in your search, but at this stage I can do little more from where I'm at (in the Netherlands, to be precise) than to hopefully fill you in on some of the details you're looking at. It may indeed help to even know what the placenames you're looking at may be derived from.

"Nath" again according to Wikipedia technically means just "lord, protector, refuge" in Sanskrit, however it's a complex spiritual term. See their whole article on it, and remember Wikipedia is always to be taken with a huge lump of salt, since anyone can produce those articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nath. But so I guess hence indeed the many placenames or other locations (temples etc.) ending in -nath. I do think it will often stand for something like Lord of this or the other, btw.

It is of course not at all said Jonathan went to follow some "sadhu" way; as for those recent pics reposted from his mother Lynda above, the pics themselves apparently being from previous years: Yes, that would seem to bespeak an interest in the field. Then again I could come up with such pics of myself, but more than something of a natural affinity with and otherwise an interest in (some parts of) these belief systems and some of their practitioners I really don't have, and I don't readily see myself disappearing among them, though I've felt the call at times, sure.

This whole complex issue or confusion mostly originated (on my part) with, again, my thinking when David noted down "Nyaneth," he must probably have heard something like Naineth, Nainath, or indeed N(y)anet(h) or N(y)anat(h). Witness also his earlier rendering of Haridwar or Hardwar as Hardawar (I'm sure in India some might spell or indeed pronounce it that way, btw. Remember they aren't spellings, but transcriptions rather, it will be just as difficult to natives and especially those not too versed in English or any highly-educated version thereof, of which there are many. Nor are there any standardized transcription or transliteration methods for most Indian languages, I don't think, or if there are, they surely don't seem to be universally followed), or Joshimath as Joshimiat.

That is of course not at all a critique, it's only natural, and it is indeed difficult in a place like India, and then certainly with the more obscure placenames, and he will have lots of better things to do. But so I'm hoping he can soon resolve it.

And most importantly of course, let's not get sidetracked here over linguistics or etymology: What we need is that placename, not any further intricacies. There's really no need to look up every "-nath" (I don't think...), other than one coming close to "Nyaneth." And as a visitor, you may well visit such places, not having any special spiritual or other connotations in mind. It doesn't, as such, indicate much of anything (or at least I do again not think so).

(So for example, you could well visit Joshimath, not having any intention to follow up on or indeed being blissfully unaware of what that name may mean. I've not been there specifically, but I think it's just another town. Just like visiting say Yorkshire or something few visitors will know where the name may be derived from. Bad example maybe since the meaning probably isn't quite as religious, but you catch my drift. It will mean equally little to many a visitor.)
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I would be surprised if he'd gone to any of the trekking spots around Chardham & valley of flowers at this time of the year. The trek routes and roads will be buried in snow.
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Originally Posted by theyyamdancer View Post Nyaneth

Could it, a remote possibility I admit, be referring to Nain Nath, a singer who gave a concert last week?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOyGI3LLhYg
That actually sounds like not at all a stupid suggestion. Was the concert anywhere in the region, that you know of? (The YouTube video has a further description underneath it, but for some reason those mostly don't open with me, so I can't read them further than the first few lines.)
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Originally Posted by machadinha View Post That actually sounds like not at all a stupid suggestion. Was the concert anywhere in the region, that you know of? (The YouTube video has a further description underneath it, but for some reason those mostly don't open with me, so I can't read them further than the first few lines.)
ps Oh look, the video description did now open with me. It mentions a concert held on March 5th, 2010, in Andheri (most likely the Mumbai suburb).

Still, the singer being said there to be a Kumaoni (so from Kumaon, the eastern half of Uttarakhand, as opposed again to its western half known as Garhwal), could indeed be worth checking if he'd performed in the region recently.

But, David if I didn't see wrongly has logged in here several times since we've been discussing this. I do still hope he can tell us what location he may have heard of. We seem to be getting pretty much on a tangent here.
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But, David if I didn't see wrongly has logged in here several times since we've been discussing this. I do still hope he can tell us what location he may have heard of. We seem to be getting pretty much on a tangent here.

I think Lynda uses David's username sometimes, so it may not always be David logged in.
I think we are going off course with Nain Nath the Kumaoni singer. David said Jonathon was spotted in a place called Nyaneth nr Joshimath, probably best to wait & hear what David says about the mis-spelling.KK
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post I think Lynda uses David's username sometimes, so it may not always be David logged in.
Good point, I'd quite forgotten it.

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I think we are going off course
Quite, it's all just speculation, whereas hopefully David could answer it just like that.

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with Nain Nath the Kumaoni singer. David said Jonathon was spotted in a place called Nyaneth nr Joshimath, probably best to wait & hear what David says about the mis-spelling.
I'm not sure. What he said was:

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Originally Posted by davidgreen100 View Post We have one possible sighting of Jonathan in the Joshimiat area around 12th February. If there are any of you guys out there or heading there, please keep an eye out. I need to confirm this as it is fresh and we are not getting our hopes up. There is another, more recent possible sighting around Nyaneth, which I believe is nearby - again, to be confirmed. The latter sighting said he was with two other people. These are tenuous leads, and recent experience with that pond-dweller from Dharmsala has taught me to tread carefully, so I will get my police contacts to follow these up.
This Nyaneth could be anything he picked up on, it doesn't have to refer to a placename as such. (But perhaps a temple instead, or a performance mentioned by someone and lost in translation, why not.)

Secondly, the way I read this, he was told ("which I believe is nearby") it should be close to Rishikesh where I think David was at the time of writing, not to Joshimath, where he said then he'd try and get second-party confirmation from.

But I could well be reading it wrong. Both questions should hopefully be answered by him, as soon as he can.

I'm sorry if I contributed to going off on a tangent here; I think indeed we just need to know that place or location's name, and no one but David can give it to us.
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Originally Posted by georgedargan View Post We have a lot of eyes monitoring this thread. We are all trying to come up with ideas of things we can look into next that would be helpful.

If anyone here could come up with any ideas (that we likely would not think of/be aware of) on some big tasks that would be beneficial for us all to get cracking on over here it would be much appreciated.(lists of other places/people we should contact etc.)

Three of Jonathan's friends/cousins have flown over from Dublin this morning and should be in Rishikesh at some stage tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by capt_mahajan View Post It is difficult for anybody to suggest what else can be done without knowing what is already being done. At this stage (5 weeks after the event).

-are the cops doing enough?
-phone records/GPS tracking or tower information?
-ditto for ATM, cards, email accounts (if possible) etc.
-possible sightings at Joshimath being aggressively tracked down?

What remains critical is the answer to this question- If J is not in Rishikesh/Haridwar, how did he get out?
Excellent advice there Capt.

George, I think it would be useful if there was one person who could be a link between the family/friends and this thread. David and Jonathan's friends are there in Rishikesh doing things on the ground, Lynda is in Dublin using Facebook and the media, and we in Indiamike have, collectively, experience in lots of different areas. It would be helpful if someone could check in here regularly to say X and Y have been done, and does anyone know anything about Z?

That way we could make our suggestions much more pertinent and hopefully avoid going on wild goose chases over a misheard/mis-spelt placename.
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post look here; Missing Frenchman, last seen in Joshimath on 13 December 2011

It might be worth calling hotel shailja. KK
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Originally Posted by JuliaF View Post Excellent advice there Capt.

George, I think it would be useful if there was one person who could be a link between the family/friends and this thread. It would be helpful if someone could check in here regularly to say X and Y have been done, and does anyone know anything about Z?

That way we could make our suggestions much more pertinent and hopefully avoid going on wild goose chases over a misheard/mis-spelt placename.

Yes,just to confirm things like, someone did contact hotel shailja in Joshimath where the frenchman went missing???? etc etc....

KK
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