Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012

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#2026 Mar 1st, 2017, 13:47
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Please have some consideration for Jonathan's family, they will likely get an alert every time someone replies to this thread, and will come to read every single reply with a tiny bit of hope in their hearts.
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Moving in as a new speaker, but I have been following the thread, read the articles for some time now.

From what I have read, this are my observations - the family, mother in particular does not say that something bad may not have happened to him. Their view is that till they do not know about that scenario for certain, they would like to hope (against hope) that there could be an alternative scenario and the efforts are along those lines.
I haven't found them to be asking others to go out of the way and do things for them now or over the past couple of years. It is just an effort to keep trying and asking people to just keep their eyes open, in case someone has any chance encounter/ sighting.

I don't find this to be wrong. Why give up on someone when you are not 100% sure that he is gone, even if the chance is minuscule that you can just know that the person is okay (that is mentioned in the posts as well, just want to know that he is fine, no attempt to get him away from what he may be doing with his free will).

So there may have been an untoward incident, probably likely that there may have been one, but we are not sure, may probably never be sure. Is that enough to stop looking for your loved one? I think it may not be to fair to persistently discuss about something that we are not sure about and which is something which we are hoping may not have happened. Put in your point, fair enough, persist to insist it may the likely scenario (with nothing to back that with), a bit out of place.

So as usual, lets see if this puts a pause to the present discussion and helps get back to what this thread is about- just let know if you have seen Jonathan. It is not a compulsion that you have to.
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From what I have read, this are my observations - the family, mother in particular does not say that something bad may not have happened to him. Their view is that till they do not know about that scenario for certain, they would like to hope (against hope) that there could be an alternative scenario and the efforts are along those lines.


So as usual, lets see if this puts a pause to the present discussion and helps get back to what this thread is about- just let know if you have seen Jonathan. It is not a compulsion that you have to.

Don't worry about Jonathon's family getting alerts every time there is a post, don't you think that whatever we say here, all those thoughts/theories will not have gone through their minds over the years?

I've got to know J's parents over the years & I can assure you that they will be glad to see that this thread is being re-vitalised, all they want his to bring attention to his disappearance to anyone travelling around India even now, in the hope that he may be out there somewhere. J's mum (Lynda) actually contacted me & asked me to post the new BBC article on this thread, but another member was already on it.
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I've got to know J's parents over the years & I can assure you that they will be glad to see that this thread is being re-vitalised
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Another short article in the Irish Sun;

https://www.thesun.ie/news/642707/mo...f-finding-him/
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I think I can now ask something that has intrigued me since this thread was started. What is it about Jonathan's missing that it became such a movement. So many people go missing, but manage to just get a passing mention, whereas this case stood out from others.

At one point, almost all threads were used to post about him even though there was a dedicated thread already. Why did people became so involved, many showing obsessive enthusiasm? I am just not able to pin point the reason.

Please do not take it otherwise, I am genuinely interested to know what made Jonathan's missing exceptional and something that got so much coverage.
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So far as Indiamike is concerned, perhaps it was the first big missing-person story here. Jonathan's family used this thread. Perhaps it became Jonathan-Central on the internet. We were able to do then what that for which people would turn to Facebook today. Remember the world without Facebook? (Well, mine still is, which is one good reason why I am still here)

Leopards. Really, nobody thought of leopards? If OIH says not, perhaps not. Many of us who posted here do not actually know the relevant area anyway. But many do. And real investigation actually happened on the ground, by local people who must have known.
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Very unlikely. Human are not leopard's prey. That would have left the bones somewhere and would have been noticed by people. A man-eating leopard would have attacked humans again. Most likely, humans who prey on humans. Jonathan probably put his faith on the wrong type of people.
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Originally Posted by jituyadav View Post I think I can now ask something that has intrigued me since this thread was started. What is it about Jonathan's missing that it became such a movement. So many people go missing, but manage to just get a passing mention, whereas this case stood out from others.

At one point, almost all threads were used to post about him even though there was a dedicated thread already. Why did people became so involved, many showing obsessive enthusiasm? I am just not able to pin point the reason.

Please do not take it otherwise, I am genuinely interested to know what made Jonathan's missing exceptional and something that got so much coverage.
I think it's the combination of his parents posting here with -to their credit- the involvement of a couple of members who put their expertise (drafting posters in Hindi, making a list of ashrams, calling those places + hotels....) immediately at the disposal of the search project, from the very beginning.

And of course the mystery surrounding the case wakes up amateur sleuths...which I guess is not bad from the perspective of keeping the case active and informing people about Jonathon's disappearance.

But you're right when you mention that there are untold cases of others who go missing in comparable circumstances, in that respect this case is unremarkable.

There's a signboard in Rishikesh that I saw when I went there in 2013: it lists dozens of 'missing' cases. The foreigners have the benefit that their consulates (and, hence, local police) take at least an interest in the case. One country that I know has a team of (back then) 6 people who do nothing else but look into cases of compatriots who either went off the rails and ended up in prison or a psych ward or go missing. But I did see lots of Indian 'missing' posters too, in fact a majority of cases are of Indians. Sadly, they receive less attention. I'm not throwing stones at the local cops either, I do believe they do what they can but the region is almost the bermuda triangle of India: the spiritual angle and the attraction this has on some people who are not always paragons of stability, combined with the availability of drugs and a scene where some people choose to 'go off the grid' or get mixed up with dubious deals or wander in areas where others don't want nosy persons, combined with unforgiving nature and -last but not least- a honking big river that flows through the city...well...
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Can't speak for others, but for me it was a simple case of meeting a requirement in the initial stages- of somebody who spoke the local language who could call and narrow down possibilities. Amateur sleuthing was not part of the plan, because I know that the Indian cops can be quite efficient if they get to it, and they have resources that people sitting in front of a screen just can't match.

I would call today, too, if needed. Sometimes it doesn't take much to help; even if the end result is zero, one can only try.
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Very unlikely. Human are not leopard's prey. That would have left the bones somewhere and would have been noticed by people. A man-eating leopard would have attacked humans again.


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The famous Man-Eater of Rudraprayag’ was not a tiger.

Leopards are accomplished at concealment and also cowards that do not fight with men .. however, small people are at risk, children and the frail do not walk alone in forest in Uttarakhand.
A thin man sitting in meditation in a ‘hollow’ (between symbols of his identity) would make for easy attempting.
Bones be very little, more likely to find shoes, but steep gullies in crags are beyond the causal searcher. Leopards also capable to haul prey up into trees.

An invitation to test a hypothesis .. or preferable such musings be disregard as dillichaat can claim confidential insider knowledge that says leopard not included.
Such confidence in Indian police is amusing.
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Hello all, I am guessing there are a few of you that might feel as I do in that it is incredibly frustrating and heartbreaking not to have an answer for Jonathan's family after all this time and effort to find him. But do remember that his family reads these posts...speculation about leopards and the like after all this time might be terribly upsetting for them...just not sure if these theories would serve a purpose...just my two cents
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speculation about leopards and the like after all this time might be terribly upsetting for them



Would someone who has followed and read all 2000 posts please tell if there has been any previous discussion of leopard theory .. and provide the post numbers.
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