Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012

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#1801 Nov 23rd, 2012, 21:31
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Originally Posted by whereisvj View Post What's startling is the fact that the report goes on to say about 100 people, mostly foreigners, have been missing from this particular spot since 1998.
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post The fact of the matter is that nobody knows the real number of missing people.

According to these reports 7 people a day go missing from the area where i live in the UK; http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9906...rth_Yorkshire/

27,000 a year go missing in UK;
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...6014026AAWNnpp

considering the UK population compared to India, then it's not startling. KK
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Please look at this thread: http://www.indiamike.com/india/uttar...012-a-t159252/

He could be anywhere now: You might have met him, be able to help, or give information.
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Just the kind of stats I was too lazy to look up.

I wonder if anyone has any idea of percentages, and how that relates to the percentage of tourists that go missing in India?
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It's not about the numbers of tourists that go missing in that region of India. That's understandable. The more worrying part is that 'They' seem to viritually vanish with no trace. Nobody ever seems to see, hear or know anything about it. And the media is very cautious, and the police tight lipped. You'd think in a land where 'Guest is God' - the response would be much different. It's not, there appears to be a preconception to it all.
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I suspect that the media treats such things with the same importance as road deaths. It mentions them and moves on. It makes no attempt to aggregate or make a bigger picture from the individual events. No conspiracy: just media fatigue. Like every other country in the world.
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Well, I think it's partly to do with the red tape and hoops one has to jump threw in order to make a missing person case 'official' in India - it's not that easy, they make it extremely difficult.

I believe the first newspaper to run an article on Jon was the Pioneer on March 12th, five weeks after he went missing and I believe only after David had physically ventured to Rishikesh and had held a small press conference. There was one other small article after that and then some syndicated Irish articles. That's pathetically inadequate in this day age and very subpar by many country's standards.

If they do equate each & every missing foreigner who was expected and soon to return home as probable 'roadkill' - then that speaks volumes as to why their(media/police) attention/interest drops off so rapidly with these cases.

The main point that I've noticed with missing people in India and those that go missing in Canada is that the police are quick to take the bull by the horns with their media releases, briefing, and ongoing appeal for help. All news articles are similar in Canada(this an article on a British National that went missing last year):

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Police are asking for the public's help in locating a man and a woman in connection with a missing persons case near Sambro, N.S.
In India, by contrast, the police seem to distance themselves from any direct responsibility or public communications coordination. All the Cop in the Pioneer article did was assume it another case of 'renunciation fuelled by spiritual awakening'. That's it, no request for help or anything else at all - at a critical point in time and five weeks into the case. A strange way to conduct an investigation, indeed.
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The main point that I've noticed with missing people in India and those that go missing in Canada is that the police are quick to take the bull by the horns with their media releases, briefing, and ongoing appeal for help. All news articles are similar in Canada(this an article on a British National that went missing last year):
Quick to get the bull by the horns, not all ways.

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/d...tent?oid=16079
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Women started disappearing from Vancouver, BC's Downtown Eastside, or the DES as it's commonly known, in the early '80s, about the same time that women started disappearing along the broad and busy "strip" that separates the hotels from the international airport in SeaTac. The missing women from both cities were from the same class: poor, often homeless, often addicted to drugs, often selling sex to generate an income. The only difference between the two--save the fact that more black women went missing in the Seattle area while more Native American women went missing in the Vancouver area--is that the remains of many of the missing Seattle women resurfaced in the garbaged wild areas around the airport, beside the freeways, and, most infamously, along the banks of the Green River. In Vancouver, if the vanished women did not return to the DES alive, or show up in another city, they did not return at all.

Vancouver's police department was slow to take an interest in the vanishing women. Perhaps because the police in Canada were as indifferent to the plight of these women as our local police departments were to our missing women. However, law enforcement officers in SeaTac and Seattle had to take the crimes seriously because bodies were turning up, corpses had to be examined and explained to a frightened community. The lack of bodies, coupled with the police department's prejudices and contempt for the pimps, drug dealers, addicts, and sex workers who make up over a third of the DES' 15,000 residents,
I'm going to try to avoid drawing a false equivalence between prostitutes and travelers but I do think there are some similarities in the two communities. Both are often loosely knit, transient and exploited in different ways.
In India we travelers get a lot of respect easy, but not to many Indian parents would let there daughters marry a westerner, conversely not to many western parents would want their sons to marry a sex worker. So in a way both populations are marginalized by society. Also through in the fact there there are a percentage of travelers willing blow off their visa expiration date for living in the moment. Given that, don't you see how the cops could dismiss a disappearance as 'renunciation fuelled by spiritual awakening' as easily as "one less Ho on the corner, big deal"?
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post I believe the first newspaper to run an article on Jon was the Pioneer on March 12th, five weeks after he went missing and I believe only after David had physically ventured to Rishikesh and had held a small press conference. There was one other small article after that and then some syndicated Irish articles. That's pathetically inadequate in this day age and very subpar by many country's standards.
Perhaps slow to get started is a reasonable complaint, because the first days are so important, but what country's media would be covering the story of someone who went missing months ago, especially if they covered it at the time (or previously, if late). Man still Missing is just not a headline. This aspect is not an Indian phenomenon.

This must one of the worst things for the searcher, the families: how to keep media interested, how to make them see it as something current.
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I'm going to try to avoid drawing a false equivalence between prostitutes and travelers but I do think there are some similarities in the two communities. Both are often loosely knit, transient and exploited in different ways.
In India we travelers get a lot of respect easy, but not to many Indian parents would let there daughters marry a westerner, conversely not to many western parents would want their sons to marry a sex worker. So in a way both populations are marginalized by society. Also through in the fact there there are a percentage of travelers willing blow off their visa expiration date for living in the moment. Given that, don't you see how the cops could dismiss a disappearance as 'renunciation fuelled by spiritual awakening' as easily as "one less Ho on the corner, big deal"?
Well there are travelers and then there are spiritual vagabonds. And the direct correlation between prostitutes and spiritual vagabonds is that they both fall under the 'alternative lifestyles' moniker. This distinction often invokes a 'wait and see' attitude from Law Enforcement, rather than a more proactive approach. That's the reality of it.

Like it or not, fair or unfair -Jonathan was guilty by vicinity/association, straight of the hop, with the spiritual thing. You can read the same responses that the police were quoted with on this very thread -'he's off on some spiritual retreat and will come back when he's good and ready'.

Possibly(hopefully) true .... yet potentially handcuffing/misleading, especially, in those crucial early days of the search.



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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Perhaps slow to get started is a reasonable complaint, because the first days are so important, but what country's media would be covering the story of someone who went missing months ago, especially if they covered it at the time (or previously, if late). Man still Missing is just not a headline. This aspect is not an Indian phenomenon.

This must one of the worst things for the searcher, the families: how to keep media interested, how to make them see it as something current.
That's the conundrum, isn't it. Deregulated spiritual zone where many go on selfish walkabouts without telling anyone where they are going or when they'll return. Any many return, too. Locals confirm this and tell anyone concerned to 'just wait & see ' and 'be patient'. Then suddenly, it's a month or two on with no sign or trace. Police hesitant/skeptical, media jaded with time/tradition.

Agreed, "Man still Missing' is not a headline .... but fortunately there are many subsections/stories to a newspaper and you will often see these 'teasers 'in the smaller more localized sections(in Canada) - a month or more on - especially if the police feel that somebody may have witnessed something that may yet crack the case.

There is also a very good website in Canada that is set up by and monitored byLaw Enforcement called UnsolvedCanada.ca and where the public can interact, leave tips, and discuss. Is there something similar in India(besides Indiamike Travel)? If not, there really should be ....
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Yes, it takes something like that. London's Big Issue magazine used to publish a short section of "still missing" people, with photos and brief profile. I'm remembering from decades ago, I don't know if they still do. Isn't there somewhere where they print such pictures on milk cartons? Maybe in USA? I vaguely recall that was effective at re-uniting a number of people with families. Might be history. I hope not.
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Mexico state uses tortilla (<-- rotis) wrapper ads for missing. Very innovative. Reaches most dining tables. (click photo).
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Bump. It's been ten months to the day since Jonathan disappeared. I don't think I'm alone in believing that somebody knows something that hasn't been brought forward as of yet. No time like the present, Indiamike is as an anonymous medium as it gets ......
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post Bump. It's been ten months to the day since Jonathan disappeared. I don't think I'm alone in believing that somebody knows something that hasn't been brought forward as of yet. No time like the present, Indiamike is as an anonymous medium as it gets ......
So true, there has to be someone somewhere who met him last February or early March before we found his things at Garur Ghatti Waterfall or indeed anytime since then. He has to eat and drink and find shelter and we know he was not well so he very likely needed to seek medical hekp / medicine. To do these basic things he must have spoken to someone at minimum and more likely many people.

So please everyone in India, talk about him, ask questions, it may just jog a memory for someone. If it does please please ask them to get in touch it doesn't matter how tiny the piece of information is - anything could help at this stage. Indiamike / the police / me at lyndaspollen@gmail.com whatever way is easiest.

To anyone who kows where Jonathan might be now and is reluctant to come forward because they feel he should be alowed to do what he is doing - you are not helping hiim as one thing is certain - if he could make contact he absolutely would. Please also know that my only need is to establish that he is not sick and in need of help. I promise that if he is OK and happy I will not interfere but will, as always, support him. Please contact me or help Jonathan to contact me - that would be a great act of kindness.

Thank you Peak for remembering the date. I seriously don't know how we would be now without the support of you all. Lynda
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I don't know if this has been already mentioned in one of the 1'800 previous posts, but in February 2013 will take place a Purna Kumbh Mela in Allahabad. This is the hugest pilgrimage on Earth, with tens of millions people gathering for three weeks from all over India, particularly sadhus, yogis and "spiritually involved" Hindus. If this gathering is probably too big to search for one single person, this is definitely the best place to spread the information with posters, flyers and streamers.
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Originally Posted by shiva108 View Post I don't know if this has been already mentioned in one of the 1'800 previous posts, but in February 2013 will take place a Purna Kumbh Mela in Allahabad. This is the hugest pilgrimage on Earth, with tens of millions people gathering for three weeks from all over India, particularly sadhus, yogis and "spiritually involved" Hindus. If this gathering is probably too big to search for one single person, this is definitely the best place to spread the information with posters, flyers and streamers.
It seems so far away and I do pray we have good news before then However, we have been trying to work out how best to inform people attending about Jonathan in case we have no news by then.

The sheer numbers present us equally with the best possible opportunity and the most difficult communication problem!

RWeHavingFunYet posted about printing an appeal on food wrappers and then milk cartons were mentioned as used in the USA. Would anyone be able to suggest what the most populat product at the Purna Kumbh Mela festival would be - this would be a brilliant way of reaching huge numbers of people if it were appropriate and we could arrange it.

We are finding it difficult to establish how exactly the logistics of the festival 'work'. For instance, is there a registration process? Are there different areas of interest for different people? how are the millions of people 'managed'? Catering? Accomodation? Where would it be appropriate to advertise without offending? Who could we contact that may be willing to assist us?

If anybody can help answer any of these questions I would be very very grateful. Thank you, Lynda
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