Have you seen Jonathan Spollen? Missing in Rishikesh since February 3rd, 2012

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#1486 May 4th, 2012, 15:58
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Called them. They said nobody by that name has been admitted, and there will be no proper way to check the hundreds of people who have come in as outpatients in the last few weeks.

But we agreed to my emailing them the poster etc, which has been done, so that somebody in the know can see it and if the pic rings a bell. I have also requested they print it, but I don't know if they will do this.
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The district police chief, Neeru Garg, told The Irish Times she believes Spollen is alive and may be at one of the region’s numerous ashrams. “We are searching scores of ashrams in Rishikesh and also co-ordinating with police from the neighbouring district of Haridwar to expand our reach to ashrams there too,” she says. “He may have wanted to ‘disappear’, and to do so in the ashrams is easy.”


Really searching the scores of Ashrams in Rishikesh is only skimming the surface,there are hundreds of Ashrams around Haridwar,D'Dun & Uttarkashi area of varying sizes,some with websites many without. Personally i feel if this is the route j's taken he will be in a smaller lesser known place,or even staying with a solitary Baba in the hills.KK
SOS: Missing Person...

Please look at this thread: http://www.indiamike.com/india/uttar...012-a-t159252/

He could be anywhere now: You might have met him, be able to help, or give information.
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Originally Posted by Nattusbs View Post I really don't know why you are consuming valuable space in discussing topics (police chief comments, media reports) that are tangential to the efforts to finding J. These folks will say things and it is for us to filter the noise out of the message. Leave it there.

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Give me a break! Half the work of doing business in India is cutting through the BS. Everybody knows that. On the first few trips, all newbies walk a very fine line between trying not to insult and drinking the wrong Kool-Aid.

In this particular case, the police are(were?) calling the shots and leading the search. You would expect some integrity. Trust me - bullshitting police chiefs are rare in the Western world. 99.9% will just say 'no comment' or 'we are examining all possible avenues'. They are not going to try and mollify you with some cock-and-bull story. Lies come back to haunt in this global, digital, media age.

Unfortunately, the comment by the Police Chief seems to indicate that local law enforcement have been unduly biased by the less than scrupulous activities of 'some' of the spiritual tourists over the years and that flock to that particular region. From what we know about Jonathan's past & his last known thoughts - that might be a dangerously wrong assumption/lean.

As to questioning the integrity of the Irish Times - ridiculous - what's the benefit & why would they fabricate a direct quote on such a sensitive story and of a former colleague?
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post Trust me - bullshitting police chiefs are rare in the Western world.
Eh? No.

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As to questioning the integrity of the Irish Times - ridiculous - what's the benefit & why would they fabricate a direct quote on such a sensitive story and of a former colleague?
You're misconstruing what at least I have said about it. I haven't questioned that particular paper's integrity -- I don't even know it, though btw thought that article of theirs on Jonathan was very good and informed, and indeed clearly researched in-depth, with a lot of visible and palpable integrity. One got the feeling they had gone over this entire thread even, in itself no mean job --, I have tried to point out or remind you of some mechanisms that come into play with any reporting.

To go from, in your case, Peak, highly suggestive questions about topics you seem to know little about, and/or have some clear biases against -- backpackers, spiritualism, drugs, etc. --, to cherrypicking media quotes that you then seem to find significant, I just feel doesn't contribute much. Plus, it doesn't seem to bespeak much understanding of how to see those quotes in context.

Thank you. I think I have an idea now where you got your informed and nuanced views on the Taliban and other such hot modern issues. "But the papers told me so!"
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post From what we know about Jonathan's past & his last known thoughts - that might be a dangerously wrong assumption/lean.
Can you kindly explain what that's based on?? What is it you know about his past & last known thoughts that don't lead to this dangerously wrong assumption??

He was into meditation, he'd previously visited & interviewed Swami Prahlad Jani, in his last conversation with Lynda he said he would be out of contact & not to worry it was a Spiritual thing, his friend said he was into Islam,mystic Christianity etc,he'd mentioned to David that he might visit a ashram, he'd been fasting while in rishikesh,he'd given up his job & was whiming what to do next, he talked with the shantaram woman about dissatisfaction with society, he was still in Rishikesh at this time around 12th feb but never contacted home even though he could easily have done so & David says this was out of character he regularly contacted Lynda????? KK
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post Give me a break!
Peak, how do you expect people to give you a break when you come up with silly statements/stats such as;
"25% - knock on the head, become ill,lying disoriented somewhere"

This is just nonsense,how could someone be lying disorientated somewhere after 3mths???KK
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post Can you kindly explain what that's based on?? What is it you know about his past & last known thoughts that don't lead to this dangerously wrong assumption??
KK, you don't happen to moonlight with the Rishikesh Police Constabulary - do you? You both seem to have the same one track mind.

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The conversation was a straightforward one,” she says. “He planned to spend some time here at home in Dublin in March, so we were talking about creating a vegetable garden. It was like any other conversation we had ever had.”
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Sheehan is not convinced by the hypothesis that Spollen’s disappearance is related to some sort of spiritual journey. “I didn’t get that impression from him. He talked of going on a trek and then on to Delhi,” he says. “I just find it hard to believe the man I met would go wandering off with sadhus.
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“I think we are maybe getting too bogged down into this “spiritual walkabout” angle,” says one contributor on IndiaMike. “Where’s the evidence? You can’t just whisk away every disappearance there with ‘Oh, they’ve gone spiritual.’ ”
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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...315279869.html
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Originally Posted by kullukid View Post Peak, how do you expect people to give you a break when you come up with silly statements/stats such as;
"25% - knock on the head, become ill,lying disoriented somewhere"

This is just nonsense,how could someone be lying disorientated somewhere after 3mths???KK
Ever heard of amnesia, comas, kidney stones, dehydration, disorientation, traffic accidents? Is it hot in India? Was he eating well? Was he eating at all??? Just might be alot more sensible/plausible than 'your' 100% he's 'gone spiritual' theory.
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STOP!

Just stop bickering.

It doesn't help find Jonathan.
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I don't see anything wrong in what the police chief said. Whatever she said is based on the experience of the police there in handling cases like these. She said "He 'may' have wanted to disappear, and to do so in the ashrams is easy". What's wrong if this is one of the several assumptions/theories?
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Originally Posted by prince09 View Post What's wrong if this is one of the several assumptions/theories?
Fine. Did she mention any other avenues they we're exploring? Would the police ever be guilty of painting all westerners with the same brush? It seems that the Laxmanjhula station in-charge had the exact same 'suspicions' :


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While the reasons for this trend may be manifold ranging from accidents on tough terrain and petty crime that has witnessed a spurt in the area in the recent past to drugs-driven escapism and suicide to personal vendetta which, though improbable, is not unthinkable in specific cases, Laxmanjhula station in-charge BS Bhakuni puts it down to renunciation fuelled by spiritual awakening.
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Hi!

Please meditate on the following question:

Are you guys trying to fit evidences/reports just to meet your thoughts OR you have reached those thoughts after analyzing evidences/reports????!
If the answer is yes on the first part - you are definitely on the wrong slope and the only case were the end of this will match your thought will be pure random.

Police track in Rishikesh - even if to be honest, many times they are posting wrong information just to obfuscate the perpetrators - if sincere, is definitely only 1/2 of the requested actions in such cases.
The other 1/2 will be the assumption of a tragic event and do the searching accordingly.
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Since we are - obviously - not in possession of the police reports, Silvio, we cannot possibly analyze according to your suggestion.

Instead of slagging each other off in this thread, it would be far better if only concrete help were provided. Now I shall shut up.
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Originally Posted by silviup View Post Police track in Rishikesh
Correct me if I'm wrong, haven't you told us your only direct experience with the Subcontinent has been in Sri Lanka?

Or do you mean you police forensics guys in Bucharest, if that in fact is where you're at, have some direct lines to tap into the Rishikesh/Haridwar police? If so, would you mind putting that to use?
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post Fine. Did she mention any other avenues they we're exploring?
Does she have to give every detail on what her department is doing in this case in the media? As the top cop, you think she'll have the time and need for discussion in such detail?

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Who's painting all the westerners with the same brush? If you read that article properly, he quoted several examples of Indians, in addition to westerners, who went on such spiritual renunciation. The fact is a lot of westerners do go to rishikesh with a hope of finding some remedy/solution/escape for their problems and whatever the police are saying is based on years of observation and investigations of missing cases. I personally met some of these people and this video is just a small example of various motivations people have to live or disappear in a place like rishikesh.
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