Delhi to Naitwar

Dilliwala

The following exchanges took place between AvidTrekker and myself over the last few weeks by PM. They're being put in a thread now for public consumption:


AT
Hi there...

A quick question about road timings.... since you seem to have gone everywhere in the Himalaya by car, I want to ask you this...

See this thread..

I am planning to travel to Naitwar.

May arrive Dehra Dun by DDN Shatabdi arrival 12:40 noon.

Want to start off for Naitwar immediately by private Jeep. I have travelled in seven hours by public transport. It is 207 km. Do you feel it can be reached before nightfall at 7 pm ?? I suspect not.

In that case, where is is feasible to stay the night? Reach by 6 pm ? Purola? Lakhamandal ? Chakrata ? (Barkot slightly off-route?)

I was in Purola bazar making an STD phone call and I did not like the place. Maybe the RH is at a beautiful location.

Any suggestions for a beautiful location FRH or something? I will be travelling at first light in the morning upto Naitwar, then Dhaula, then trek to Sewa, and Camp at Sewa.

Regards,


DW
Hey there Avid,

I'll just reply on the accom aspect right now, as I need to compare some routes/distances to try save you some time. FYI, it wud be poss to save a few hours as well, but wud require additional expense.

Purola has a GMVN a bit behind the bazar, I think. In any case if you're only staying the night and leaving early it shud be ok.
There's also an FRH, which has to be booked there, i.e. DFO Purola.

Barkot will be 10 km off your route, i.e. you'll have to backtrack to Naugaon, but that's not too bad, specially since there's 3 GMVNs there.

There''s an FRH at Jarmola, 17 km from Purola towards Mori/Naitwar. Beautiful setting - trees all around, just a few huts and a small temple. That's all that one sees from the road at least, maybe the rest of the village is on higher ground. If an en-route FRH is to be the accom of choice, this wud be it. Booking at Purola.
I know why you're thinking Lakhamandal . There's no accom there I know of, but you can make a short visit anyway. It's 5 km off-route across the Yamuna.

It is poss to go via Chakrata as well, details tomorrow. There's an FRH here, booking thru DFO, Kalsi. Also a PWD RH, no idea where booking office is - maybe local, maybe Kalsi. 2-3 hotels, will obviously cost more. You'll find them in the Chakrata threads.


DW
Avidbhai,

Just a short note that I have worked out 5 different options, some allowing travel via Chakrata or Lakhamandal, and the best case scenario even gets you to Naitwar before 5 pm, albeit at extra cost.
Cheers


AT
Dear Dilliwala,

Planning the trek starting July 20th 2008.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Jarmola sounds just superb.

If we hire a car/jeep from DDN (arrive shatabdi 12:40) what time can we expect to reach Jarmola? 5:30 PM? Will it be necessary for someone to book the Jarmola FRH at Purola "in person"?? BY postal money order? Is there a phone number? (answered by a responsible person?)

Regards,


DW
Hi Avid,

It will take 4.5 to 5 hours driving time to get to Jarmola. Plus whatever time you stop on the way.
You can book in writing, and payments are generally made either at permit-issuing DFO office or concerned FRH.
Tell you what - I'm in Mussoorie for some days and I will try and confirm everything from DFO Muss - it's not far from where I'm staying and procedures are same.

As I mentioned, you can actually get to Naitwar before 5 pm - I take it you are more or less set on staying a night in Jarmola now? I worked out 5 diff routes/distances - via Mussoorie/Purola, via Ambadi(Kalsi)/Purola, via Chakrata/Hanol, etc.

Cheers


AT
Thanks for planning out five diff routes

Its good for road trip planning.... but I am planning a trek !!

OK.. let me take advantage of your planning... which is the most scenic route ?

Yes, even though I believe I can reach Naitwar itself before 6 pm (after starting from DDN at 12:40 noon)(ARE you REALLY sure of BY 5 PM?)...

I plan to stay elsewhere coz I did not see any good place to stay in Naitwar. Can you guide me here? If there is a beautiful place, I would gladly stay in Naitwar itself.

Thanks for everything

Regards


DW
They're all scenic, Avidbhai! I don't deal in unscenic routes . And you need to do some road-travel to get to your trek-start don't you ? I understood you preferred to get to Naitwar itself on Day 1 which is why I tried different combos to find out the quickest route (plus I have a bit of selfish interest too, I've always wanted to know myself what is the shortest route to Mori and Chakrata from the south ).
Re staying at Naitwar, I thought there's an FRH too? I'll confirm. Otherwise you cud always think of staying at Sankri. It's only a short hop extra and you have the choice of GMVN or FRH. Maybe there's an FRH at Mori, I'll check that too. There's a GMVN at Hanol, but staying there wud make sense only if you're coming via Chakrata. The Mahasu temple at Hanol is interesting if you haven't been.

Ok, if you prefer to stay a night in the Purola/Jarmola area, then you shud proceed as discussed. The best way is (well there are two):
1) Dehradun-Mussoorie-Aglar Pul-Kuwa-Naugaon-Purola - 130 km
To Jarmola - +17 km
To Mori-Naitwar - +29 km.
Total - 176 km
This route also gives you the option of going 5 km off-route from Kuwa to visit Lakhamandal. You'll have to come back to Kuwa to continue onwards.
2) DD-west on NH72-Lambarpur(shortcut of 6 km from here!)-Ambadi-Yamuna/Aglar Pul-rest as above - 10 km extra
Total - 186 km
Time for both will be the same practically, as the Muss route will be a bit slower - 5.5 to 6 hours driving.

3) Via Mussoorie/Chakrata - very scenic, but the longest route and some slow stretches. Amit Sankrani reported in his HKD snow trek thread that there's some bad section of road between Chakrata and Tiuni and the drivers do nakhras, trying to extract more money. Not justified IMO though.
Total 214 km.
Staying options at: Tiuni, FRH with great setting, right next to Tons river in a clump of trees.
A.m. GMVN Hanol.
Not to mention FRHs at Chakrata and Devban, but it will be a long drive next day.

BUT
if you want to get to Naitwar comfortably same day,
GET OFF THE TRAIN AT Saharanpur! To do the road distance of 70 km from SRE to DDN the train does 133 km to go around Rajaji National Park. So you can save almost 65 km train travel, and since arrival at SRE is 9.50 a.m., you can easily save 3 hours this way, if your driver meets you at the station!
But, as I mentioned earlier, cost factor. You will save 100 bucks only on the fare, but the jeep costs will go up.
Again I have 2 routes, one via Kalsi/Chakrata/Tiuni/Hanol - 229 km;
second via Ambadi/Yamuna/Aglar Pul/Kuwa/Purola - 222 km. Both shud get you to Naitwar before 5 pm. The first involves a one-way system though from Kalsi to Chakrata which you have to hit by 12 noon and there's very little margin for delay, i.e. you HAVE to be out of SRE by 10.15 at the latest and no delays/stops before Kalsi. There will be a forced wait at Sahiya of 30-35 mins which will be good for a meal-stop (gate opens at 1.05 pm).
Of course you can also go via Muss as in 1) above, total 246 km.

I guess that's enough to chew on for a while.

Best.

P.S. I'm guessing you'll stay the night in Delhi to catch DDN Shatabdi, but if you avoid that you can think about the 2 night-trains to DDN. No doubt you're aware of them, so either you want/have to spend time in Delhi or your train from Mumbai arrives in the wee hours?


AT
Dilliwala

Your Saharanpur option is really good. Time wise its the best. After getting off at Saharanpur, one goes to Herbertpur (63 km) then to Kalsi Sahiya Chakrata (41 km) meaning SRE to Chakrata is ONLY 104 km by road ?? Even at 35 km per hour, can do it in three hours ??? From Chakrata I can take a right to Lakha Mandal or go straight to Tiuni. I believe the Tiuni route looks shorter.

I plan to catch the Swaraj Express reaching Dilli at 4:00 am. That should answer your question

Thanks for all your options... I might have to make a separate road trip to accommodate those plans

Regards,


DW
Hey Avidbhai, we roadies have our uses - sometimes.

Here's my breakdown:
Saharanpur-Herbertpur - 65 km
To Kalsi Gate - 15 km
To Sahiya - 21 km (forced stop - departure 13.05)
To Chakrata - 21 km
Total 122 km
So providing you catch the 12 noon gate, you'll be in Chakrata at 13.35 , it's that simple.

Definitely it will be shorter via Tiuni. But you have to watch the gate times very closely, miss the 12 noon one and it's an immediate delay of 2.5 hours.
But in that case all you have to do is back-track a few km and go up along the Yamuna all the way to Naugaon, i.e my 2nd route-option of 222 km. And this will be the best route to follow if you want to see Lakhamandal - 10 km diversion. All other options are too long and will lose too much time.

I shud mention that monsoon-travel on the Chakrata-Tiuni stretch cud include delays, there are bad sections involved. We'll just have to watch the news closely.

Also met PA to DFO Mussoorie. More info later.

Cheers


AT
What yaar, I am also a roadie, when I get lazy.

I have done biking trips of one week plus ....

Now that you have opened a whole new portal for me to travel, my mind is thinking... why wait for the DDN shataabdi in the first place?? I land up in N Delhi at 04:00 and can easily start by jeep at 06:00am from Delhi itself.

Delhi Shahadara to Baghpat 31 km
Baghpat to Shamli 56 km
Shamli to Saharanpur 64 km.

So... can I reach Saharanpur by 09:00 am (three hours from DLI??)

And then go to Naitwar via Tiuni... further on UPTO DHAULA (9km after Naitwar) and then Camp at Dhaula itself. I should reach Naitwar by 3 pm and Dhaula by 3:30 pm??

What say??

Don't discount me... I might join you on a road trip one of these days...

Your planning is very meticulous indeed. I used to be like that once upon a time.

regards,


DW
Hi Avid,

Just a quickie to say I'll reply from Delhi; just finished a long 3-day trip thru the backroads of Tehri-Garhwal district (well, it seemed long - lots of slow driving on secondary and tertiary roads!).
It'll be a pleasure to go on a road-trip with you sometime.

Cheers,


DW
Hi Avid,

When I first read your msg the other night my gut-reaction was to immediately reply back and shouting - NO! On account of the last time I went that way almost 5 years back, the road was bad in many places, altho a lot less trafficked. But things change, even in U.P. , and my devious mind started working - why not try it out again (it's actually shorter than the conventional route from DDN) ? See, I don't do anything without a selfish motive . That's usually the background for my planning as well, not to mention vicarious living , plus I can't remember how often I've been given inaccurate info about different routes (haven't we all? "Bees-chalees km ka rasta hai" - hey, that's an hour's difference sometimes!), so this is my counter to that. I'm gratified if you think it's meticulous.

Ok, so I drove back the exact reverse route and have the following to report:
1) With a few exceptions (more below), the road (SH 57 of U.P.) is majorly, majorly improved and a dream to drive on, even though it's still two-lane all the way. Saved me half an hour over the conventional route, and though it wasn't as fast time-wise as before (there are no secrets in this land - others have discovered the route too . E.g. one guy on a bike going all the way to Faridabad; certainly he was a lot safer than on NH 58) just the all-round lower number of vehicles (very few trucks and buses) saved me some major aggravation - I cudn't believe that I cud regularly go upto 100 kmph, more sometimes. And not having one of those zippy little matchboxes, this means something.

2) There are 5 railway-crossings, all between Saharanpur and Shamli; you're bound to get caught at one. Luckily the one I had to stop at opened after 5 mins.

3) Traffic in Shamli is a bit of a mess, specially at the junction of the major roads coming from Panipat and Muzaffarnagar, what with flat-bed trucks trying to turn at a narrow intersection. But I don't think it shud be a prob early-morning.

4) A number of pot-holes between Nanauta and Thana Bhavan, which can be avoided by driving in the middle of the road . But then you have to watch out for the few that are in the middle of the road.
Some more near Tronica City (near Loni), but.......

5) ......nothing as bad as what exists in Loni itself. Oh boy, talk about craters for at least 5 km! In my case, U.P. was trying to ensure that Dilli door ast.
And 1-2 km inside Delhi from Loni Border the road is also bad. That's Delhi giving it back to U.P.
But after getting past the junction onto Wazirabad Road, things were fine.
HOWEVER, I think it may be possible to avoid all this becos:
There's an old road called Yamuna Pushta Road starting right across the Yamuna behind Red Fort (it actually goes on the pushta at times) which bypasses Loni and ends north of the town, avoiding all the craters and potholes. I've driven on this many years ago; at the time it was not great and was uncared-for and unmarked in U.P. But yesterday I saw at the northern end a big signboard (you know those blue ones) proclaiming, among other things, this road to lead to Wazirabad (Bridge). I'm therefore thinking that maybe it's been improved as well, which wud be just great from your perspective (and mine, in future); this route is even shorter, by 2-3 km. Your driver shud/cud check on this in advance.

But you needn't/shudn't go thru Shahdara - either take the old iron bridge behind Red Fort which wud be the shortest way to get to SH 57 specially if you take the Pushta Road, or get onto the Shahdara road initially from ISBT and then cut across to Wazirabad Road (Mangal Pandey Marg) - your driver will know.

"Delhi Shahadara to Baghpat 31 km"
Add a few from the station, so let's say 35 km.
"Baghpat to Shamli 56 km"
Very good - 59 km.
"Shamli to Saharanpur 64 km"
Very, very good - 65 km.

"So... can I reach Saharanpur by 09:00 am (three hours from DLI??)"
I wud say that all things considered, specially an early morning start, that's very realistic, yes.
Minor point - I guess you mean DLI for the city and not the RS, since your train stops at NDLS. From DLI you wud have been even closer to the exit - 10 minutes and you'd have been Jamna-paar. Unless you get off at Nizamuddin, which is also good. A quick exit is poss, specially if the railway-crossing nearby is open.

"And then go to Naitwar via Tiuni... further on UPTO DHAULA (9km after Naitwar) and then Camp at Dhaula itself. I should reach Naitwar by 3 pm and Dhaula by 3:30 pm??

What say??"
I think 3 pm at Naitwar is not unrealistic, but not via Chakrata/Tiuni - remember the gate at Kalsi opens at noon. And before that 9.30 am, which you won't make. But via Yamuna Pul/Naugaon you shud be ok.

I may also mention that altho all this counts as a road-trip in the end, in my view driving thru U.P. doesn't count for anything - U.P. has only one use IMO, to get to UA . Plus it's not winter.

Best,

P.S. And now that you've digested this, I'm about to throw another spanner in the works in my next PM which will make all the above superfluous.


AT
(The foll. is in reference to the trip being cancelled/postponed for the time being)

Its on, but maybe next year. If I get a team together, I might do it this year

So all your roadie info will not go waste

The best part I learnt that its not necessary to go beyond Saharanpur by train. Thanks for that.

Regards,


AT
Hi Dilliwala...

To bring my Naitwar discussion to its logical end

The Swaraj Exp reaches Ambala Cantt at 08:00. I get down at Ambala Cantt and go to Naitwar via two options....


1. Ambala to Herbertpur 102 km in 2 hours.
...Herbertpur Kalsi Sahiya Chakrata Tiuni Naitwar as before...

2. Ambala to Shimla either go thru Shimla or bypass Shimla by taking the Kandaghat Chail Kufri route. From Kufri go Theog Jubbal Arakot Tiuni...

OK OK , the Shimla route is much longer...

What if I had to go to Hatkoti Rohru ?? Is the Shimla route shorter??


DW
Avidbhai, you must be able to read minds, partially at least, alongwith your other qualifications. When I wrote some days ago that I'm going to throw another spanner in the works, I was going to say something like:
Take a look at the map and your train's schedule, and see where Panipat is in relation to Shamli! The train arrives in Panipat at 6.20 am, allowing you more sleep for one thing. It's 33 km approx to Shamli, and even with the highway mess at Panipat, I reckon you cud be in Shamli by 7.30 am, and in Saharanpur by 8.45!
No, Ambala wud be a waste of time in this respect. In general as a rule of thumb, the 2 jump-off points in Haryana worthy of consideration for trips into UA are Panipat and Kurukshetra/Pipli. (Karnal too, but depends on the condition of the interior roads).

You're enjoying making my life miserable aren't you?
Every time you ask such a Q, all I can see/think of is another grand road trip , but in reality I'll probably spend most of these 2 months stuck in sweltering Delhi.
Ah well, vicarious living is also living, eh?

Delhi-Shimla/Kufri-Hatkoti - long way.
The best way is to get to Paonta Sahib and then follow SH 1 of HP, which is a very good road, upto the UA border. The road goes Paonta-Rajban (excellent condition)-Sataun-Shilai-Minas-UA border (3 km from Atal)-Atal-Tiuni-Arakot and onwards. Atal to Tiuni is relatively slower with some narrow spots, but it's in decent condition and traffic-free.
The lakh rupee Q is how to get to Paonta Sahib. People take different routes, Pipli-Yamunanagar-Jagadhri being popular, but after my drive last week I wud have no hesitation in recommending the Baghpat-Shamli-Saharanpur-Herbertpur road to get to Paonta, it's certainly shorter. Of course then one can ask why cross over to Paonta anyway, why not just continue north thru Kalsi and Chakrata? Well, another lakh rupee Q - gate timings, road condition Chakrata-Tiuni - flip a coin and take your pick!
Of course there's a third route , the Tons valley route -
Haripur (1 km south of Kalsi)-Ichhari Dam-Minas along the left bank, then cross over and rest of the route is same as above (right bank of Tons upto Tiuni, back across if you go to Mori/Naitwar). I did this in the reverse direction in '05 starting from Sankri, that's how I know this area; in fact the idea was exactly to drive along the Tons all the way. Very slow going then from Minas to Ichhari Dam because they were metalling the section (about 41 km); but hopefully it's all done and therefore faster. But if I had to end up at Minas anyway, I'd probably go via Paonta/Shilai becos I think it'll be faster (it also allows a quick side-step to Churdhar, shud the urge for a short hike en-route grab the traveller ). Also the lower Tons valley, south of Tiuni, is less attractive than the upper part, so one isn't missing a lot.

Best.


AT
Dear Dilliwala

Thanks for all those options.

Why is Ambala "a waste of time"?? Road from Ambala to Herbertpur (Paonta Sahib as per your reccom ) (102 km) is THAT BAD?

I was thinking of this option coz lots of private car/taxi owners operate from Ambala... competition means fair rates.

Thanks again and warm regards


DW
Hi Avid,
No, the road is very good in fact, it's NH 72. But you'll have noted that it 'diverges' and goes a long way out, so to go to Paonta it's much shorter to branch off at Pipli already.

But your point about competitive rates at Ambala is very valid and definitely worth considering for that reason alone. Cud be the scale-tipper, I have no idea about rates from any place in Haryana.

Cheers.

arjunm

Dear Dilliwala and Avid

If you two don't stop you'll put our minds in a swirl. Question to both of you: we are mostly going to travel by the AC express and reach DDN by 5 am. What's the best scenic route to Naitwar? Next, is there a good staying option in Dhaula or do we pitch tents?

Arjun

spicetrekker

Jarmola is a good place stayed at the FRH there and the one at Arakot (not Barkot) amazing places.

Dilliwala

We've stopped, that's why the post ended.

Scenic route, in order of scenicity? scenicness? oh, scenery.
1. It's a toss-up, but as I indicated earlier, that wud be via Chakrata. In fact now I've figured there's a sixth route ( - last one I promise) Dehradun-Kalsi-Chakrata-Mori, which is shorter than via Muss/Chakrata. Don't recall why I didn't mention it to Avid but I probably rejected it in the prelim stage becos of the one-way system - it wud have caused arrival at Naitwar only around 7.30 pm in his case. No such problem in your case as you cud easily make the first gate opening at 7 am, but you have to keep in mind the other caveats mentioned above. Here's the breakup:
Dehradun-Ambadi-Kalsi Gate via shortcut - 44 km
To Sahiya - +21 km (departure 65 mins after Kalsi gate opening)
To Chakrata-Tiuni - +86 km
To Hanol-Mori-Naitwar - +42 km
Total 193 km
Minimum 5 hours driving from Kalsi Gate.

2. DD-Muss-Yamuna/Aglar Pul-Naugaon-Purola route. Very scenic Naugaon onwards. Also allows the option of diversion to Lakhamandal, if desired.

3. DD-Ambadi-Yamuna/Aglar Pul-Naugaon-Purola route. Basically going up the Yamuna, from Ambadi to Naugaon.

Muss/Chakrata is also possible and does not have the disadvantage of the one-way system, and wud be beautiful once you start climbing after Y. Pul, in fact it beats all the others above. But it wud be very long and I wudn't suggest it unless a really leisurely drive is desired.

I have no idea about accom at Dhaula. I think uttam shud know.


On that same trip years ago, Arakot was the first stop. Becos there was (supposedly) a GMVN. Arrived there and it's out of commission and all locked up, no chaukidar even. Tried to get accom at the FRH next door but the chaukidar was not there - either drinking somewhere or gone to his village , don't remember which. Those 2 places have the best location in Arakot for sure.
Tried the PWD place, chaukidar not there - either gone to his village or drinking somewhere (it's true - of the two, one had gone home and one was, well it was his drinking time already, 7.30 pm. Just don't remember which guy was doing what). Long story, but ended up as a guest of the ex-pradhan for the night!

AvidTrekker

When I last saw Dhaula, the road was being built and it was a camp by the river side. No dhaabaa or anything. The village itself is far from the river. Best is to camp by the riverside. Clean and independent. Be prepared to cook your own meals in case there is no dhaabaa opened out there.

By the way, the route from Naitwar to Dhaula is descending. Dhaula is at a lower altitude than Naitwar. I found it quite hot. The next day's trek to Sewa was also through very hot weather and treeless mountainsides.

After this the Himalayas blossomed. Trees and everything and cool weather throughout.

All the best and waiting for your trek report.

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Dilliwala

Pardon my ignorance, gents (we roadies have our limitations ) but what is Sewa's claim to fame, other than that it's on the way to Rupin Ghati? How far is it from Dhaula?

AvidTrekker

From my trek log...

gentle climb, but treeless and hot, hardly any water points in between.

We started at 09:30 and reached at 16:00. Me with 20 children and three more intructors Had packed lunch at Burri.

Estimated distance is 16 to 17 km.

From my limited knowledge, Sewa has no other claim to fame.

Am just curious, Dilliwala... why the question on Sewa??
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Dilliwala

Becos that was your initial destination (ref #1 - "Camp at Sewa"), i.e. endpoint, and since it's been mentioned a few more times, I was wondering if there was anything special about it.

AvidTrekker

For camping, two things are necessary...

1. Water. Cannot live or camp without this.

2. Flat place. To pitch tents. Cannot get it always.

About water...

In my 2006 trek to Shrikhand Mahadev, got caught midway and had to bivouac much before the actual camp site. No water. I was thinking that I might have to drink my urine tonight. Then my intrepid guide got a jerrycan of water after trekking three hours in the dark in very thickly forested mountainside. Pitched a tent at a levelled place only to have a wolf visit us at night.

About a flat place...

In my trek from Dhaula... we crossed over three mountain passes, all of greater and greater altitude. After crossing over the third Pass, the water source stream was very far down, in a narrow V shaped gorge. Because the Pass is the highest point, water flows down and is always absent. In this particular case, we camped amongst huge tree trunks on a fifty deg slope. No tents could be pitched. We all rested in a fifty deg incline position and ate dinner at around 19:00. I asked the children "who wants to come 'up' to sleep at a flat place some 45 mins above?" (no water here) Half of them came. We slept in the open at an altitude of 11,500 feet and a temp of two degrees C. Luckily there was no dew formed on our sleeping bags that morning or we'd have fallen sick. (the children would have, I mean)

So that now the rambling is done... Sewa qualifies on both counts. Perfectly flat place in the middle of the village. Good water, coz we are in a village.

No water before Sewa. No choice here.

The next Camp at Dodra has a fearsome reputation.

Dodra Kwar had a very bad reputation. Deepak Sanan writes that any visitor would be poisoned and subsequently sacrificed to the village diety. No villagers (outsiders) ever ate at Dodra Kwar coz of this fear. This used to happen some 25 to 30 years ago.

I and all the children are still alive... we cooked and ate our own food
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Dilliwala

Wolves and 50 deg slopes? Phew!

Not as exciting, but I was told by a hitchhiker once that I better not go to Jaunsar becos of the women - "Sir, first they will try to entice you, and if you're not enticed, they wil poison you!"
All on account of a shortage of men - they migrate to Bijnor and nearby places for work, and then marry Bijnoris, so the local Jaunsari women are left husbandless. I imagine he was exaggerating a bit .

Jaunsar did/does have the custom of polygamy and polyandry, simultaneous even. But it's been on the wane in the last decade.

AvidTrekker

Only a lone wolf. Many other animals on many other treks. They have done nothing to me. Man is the MOST dangerous of then all.

Is it this Jaunsar called Jaunsar Bawar ?
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Dilliwala

Yep, that's it! Chakrata lies in Jaunsar. Also Lakhamandal.

Come to think of it, you're not very safe going there! Just as well your trip is cancelled.

arjunm

Hi Dilliwala, thanks for the thorough route info.

Keeping in mind that we have to make it to Dhaula by around 5 in the evening, we would like to opt for the DD-Muss-Yamuna/Aglar Pul-Naugaon-Purola route. I know we may miss a bit on the scenery side, but with a team of 15 I would also like to reach the destination in time. What do you think?

Meanwhile, Avidtrekker, it is really nice to see you conversing with Dilliwala. Both of you share a wonderful comradrie. A question for you: Have you done the Rupin Pass trek?

Arjun

Dilliwala

Good choice. As I said, Naugaon onwards is good, but the drive along the Yamuna is not bad either. Specially if you've seen its condition in Delhi , world of difference!

AvidTrekker

No... I'd have given the route on IM if I had.

I crossed over the Chansil Ghati to Larot

Happy Trekking !!
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