Trekking partners, Western Himalayas

#1 May 23rd, 2004, 23:57
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I'm travelling the Western Himalayas solo, and plan to do some good treks and the odd rafting trip, so let me know if you're in the area and maybe want to join up (to hire guides or join a larger group) in Utteranchal (now - 2 weeks), HP (begin June), Spiti and Ladakh (July). Jeroen.
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#2 May 24th, 2004, 16:43
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Hi,
As suggested earlier Spiti is a great area to do some trekking and involve yourself with the community there. Spiti can be handled solo especially if you are looking for some short treks there. The Lingti valley 4-5days, Kibber to chandertal 5 days. Guides are recommended in these ones In spiti not more than 300rs if avalable. Joining a group is possible if there are any groups leaving at that time. In kinnaur sangla valley is a good option for the short treks Shibaling pass 4 days, Kinner Kailash Parikrama 5days starting at Kalpa. Mostly he prices hover around 1500 - 1800 rs a day with everything included. The longer treks are the ones where the mettle lies ....... The PIn Bhabha 6days, The Manerang pass trek where it is 5600mts at the top 8days and all these two lead to Spiti. The manerang pass trek is a rarely used route. Looking for more info........keep it posted.
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I keep telling everyone to go to Kinnaur+Spiti before it gets overrun by tourists.

agoramaniac, the 5550m high Manirang Pass is only for the experienced trekker. The climb-up to the Pass takes min. eight hours by the well acclimatized fit local guide. Other trekkers will take between 10 to 12 hours to climb up. Then a slither down to the Sopona lake on the other side takes abt three/four hours. One has to budget 16 trekking hours on this one day. Not everyone's cuppa tea, I guess.

Manirang Pass is very much do-able.... but difficult. Prior organization an absolute must.

Of your suggestions, Shivaling Pass can be done by a fit tourist if acclimatized. Pin Bhaaba (4865m)requires prior organization, but quite do-able cuz even fully laden mules cross it after mid-July. I do have some details abt trekking in Kinnaur+Spiti. If you want anything specific, maybe I could dig it out for you.

Does 'agora' in your name have anything to do with aghori sadhus ? If yes, you may have read the three books by Robert Svoboda...... i presume..... if not, definitely read them.

If 'agora' means something else, then forget my sentence.
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Absolutely Right there,
I did that one in august 2001 and it was an almost unknown trekking route at that time, very very rarely used .......... 8 hrs climb from Rankali to the pass top ...... and ask me it was just 5kms .......My casio recorded 5786mts at the top and in delight the crampons came off ...... bought off some shop in manali ....... already it was around 4 when we reached the top and a steep descent right after ...... bad weather at this height is an expected bad omen and it happened to us ........ so right after the descent say 3 hrs before Sapona Lake we camped making a rock wall first to fight the thermal power ....... anyways great for the views at the top and the sheer adventure for that ............ Tarikhango (Pin parbati) again do able the only problem is reaching the pass at the first place ..... I have done it from Kinnaur side and by the time I Finished it was established that much better to start it from the Pin valley end where it is Highland pasture walk for two days and finally a climb upto the pass and then descent all the way to Kafnu. I have met pl who dunnit in 3 days starting from MUd and it is possible.....best time August ......Pack animals are used on the route though I had to encounter with Porters to get me thru all the way ...... and a guide is a must for one is sure to lose direction at the top while scraping thru moraines to Nimish Khango. Even after the pass it is difficult to have a sense of direction ....... I read that somewhere here 'Even the best map reader can get a severe shock when he comes face to face with reality'. and that is so much true .......... Agoraphobia is fear of the outdoors ..... sure u can guess where it comes from ............. Again Shibaling pass is an independent trek and can be done anytime between april and october ...... Acclimitization is always a must ....... This year contemplating on The sangla to Gangotri trek ....... any suggestions ...........
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Sangla to Gangotri

Sangla to Gangotri sounds great.

The difficult option is via Lamkhaga/Chhotkhaga Pass to Harsil.

The less difficult option is via Borasu Pass to Har ki doon, then Ruinsara Taal, then Dhumdar Kandi Pass to Harsil.

The difficult option may require an inner line permit(i am very sure). The second one may not (i am not sure here) Maybe you dont know Indian bureaucracy..... please apply for the inner line permit rightaway!!

You'll want a good guide for both routes. How good is your Hindi ? You will not get an English spkg guide here.

Also, what maps do you have ?? Read about the poor trekking maps in India here
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Thanks for the suggestions - I'm a tourist trekker though - wouldn't know what a crampon IS, let alone have some attached to my legs.

I just finished the 7-day Pindari trek today, which was amazingly beautiful and a relaticely easy one to do - no guides, porters or tents etc necessary at all. If you do want a porter, there are plenty of people in Bageshwar or Song or Loharket who will immediately come along with you for a mere 150-300Rs/day. Unemployment is apparently bad hereabouts...
It's supposed to be one of the busiest treks now but we only saw a handful of people - maybe a total of 8 foreigners and 40 Indians on the whole route, apart from the locals and their cows. Good food and accom is available at every half-day's distance.

Pindari tip: set off late on the first day and start off the first night at the Loharket rest house (just above the village). This way you can trek up sleeping at Loharket - (lunch at Dhakuri) - Khati - (lunch at Dwali) - Phurkiya - (morning trek to the glacier and back to) - Dwali (2 nights, daytrip to Kafni glacier) - (lunch at Khati) - Dhakuri - (lunch in Loharket or Song). If you leave early and spend the first night at Dhakuri, you'll arrive in Dwali/Phurkiya too late to see the glacier in the early morning when the weather is still good. It also gives you the chance to sleep in different places every night.

My Footprint Himalaya book says that this area (Nanda Devi) is good for unspoilt valleys that have intact forests and villages - is it so bad in other areas of the Himalayas? Yes, the forests were beautiful, with plenty of exotic birdlife.

Next up - Milam glacier (if I can manage it without too much preparation) or the Valley of Flowers. Hike, anyone?
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Cool Have Fun !

Eight foreigners and forty Indians on the whole route is crowded as far as Indian Trekking scenes go.....

Milam & Sunderdoongaa treks are as easy and as beautiful. Go to both as a tea-house route. Take a local if you like his face and demeanor. You can go alone, tho.
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Kinner Kailash Parikarma starts from THANGI which is roadhead and it goes through LAMBAR ( VILLAGE) -SURTING ( Para Military post ) - Charang ( Village and Monstery)-Lalanti ( Pasteur ) and Over-PASS to CHITKUL ( Village and roadhead )

SUGGESTIONS: High altitude treks should not be done SOLO. Solo trekking in himlaayas requires tremendous experience and just by going through some book or reading any article..do not go there alone.

Rules and regulations are changing very fast and without information to general public. For Example: We went for Kinner Kailash Parikarma and it was my 6th time to be there. I was with comapny clients and we were told that even Indian crew needed permit. Before this-it was not like this. We went back to Recong Peo met Deputy Commessioner, Suprentendant of Police, Commandant ITBP and SDM also. No one knows who made this rule and no onw knows what to do with people from U.K and India.

Going solo in himalayas is certainly not a good idea.
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