Trekking beyond Ronti Saddle.

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Having trekked up to Roopkund this June, am planning a solo trek to Ronti Saddle. I shall begin trekking on 24th September.

If I find company, which happens often on solo trekking trips, I would like to explore the region beyond Ronti Saddle, past the Ronti Glacier.

If not, I return from Ronti Saddle via Homkund.
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Hi endurolimits,
I have plans for beyond ronti saddle starting from 25-26th September
I would be interested to know of your plans, research and collab if feasible.

I am with a friend and we plan to take along a NIM guide/porter/contact since this would be a very remote one with Glacial region and some steep areas after Ronti gal.

Cheers!
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Originally Posted by Prashant Menon View Post Hi endurolimits,
I have plans for beyond ronti saddle starting from 25-26th September
I would be interested to know of your plans, research and collab if feasible.

I am with a friend and we plan to take along a NIM guide/porter/contact since this would be a very remote one with Glacial region and some steep areas after Ronti gal.

Cheers!
Hi Prashant,

I am Vishwas friends m Ahmedabad.

My tentative itinerary is as follows:

22.09.2016, 12:30hrs - Arrive at Haridwar, have lunch and proceed to Rishikesh.

22.09.2016, 14:30hrs - Arrive at Rishikeshand night halt at Rishikesh.

23.09.2016, 05:30hrs - Depart for Wan by bus. (There is a daily bus service from Rishikesh at the abovementioned time.)
23.09.2016, 17:30hrs - Arrive at Wan and night halt at Wan.

[The itinerary hereafter is as per day 1, day 2 and so on. If we are collaborating and I need to stay at Wan for a day or so, that is fine by me.]

Day 1, 07:00hrs - Trek from Wan to Bedni Bugyal through Ghairoli Patal. Arrive at Bedni Bugyal by about 14:30hrs (if trekking leisurely). Night halt at Bedni Bugyal (where food is available at a dhaba.)

Day 2, 07:00hrs - Depart from Bedni Bugyal, take stops at Ghora Lotani, Pathar Nachania, Kalu Vinayak and reach Bagwabasa. Night halt at Bagwabasa (here too food is available at a dhaba).

Day 3, 04:30hrs - Depart from Bagwabasa, Roopkund, Junargali Pass, and reach Shilasamudra. Night halt at Shilasamudra. We will need to camp at Shilasamudra among the boulders. This is a part of the trek route, so camping shouldn't be problem. (Not sure what is available in terms of food - we will need to carry Maggi and a stove, so we should be okay, I guess.)

Day 4, 04:30hrs - Depart from Shilasamundra, lunch at Do Dang and reach Homkund. Night halt at Homkund. Camping sites available as this too is a part of the Ronti Saddle Trek route; I guess we will have to arrange our own food.

Day 5, 04:30hrs - Depart from Homkund to Ronti Saddle (the first part is easy; the second part is a scree zone) which we will have to ascend all the way up to Ronti Saddle. From Ronti Saddle, we will need to fix up two coils of rope to to negotiate a hanging glacier and heaves of large, loose boulders. (This section will mandatorily need crampons, which can be rented, or bought for Rs. 1,000-1,200 at Lohajung. If we decide to colloborate on this, the coils of ropes will have to be arranged; Decathlon stocks rope.) Some parts of the descent will also require steps to be cut in the ice. This is strenuous, 2 hour descent to Ronti Glacier, with fascinating views of the Trishul icefalls. The glacier is full of crevasses. We walk till we can, then decide on a good spot for a night halt on Ronti Glacier. The tents will have to be pitched on the glacier itself.

Day 6, 4:30hrs - Depart from the campsite. The night will be very, very cold and the tents will be wet in the morning; they will have to be dreid before packing. The whole day, at least till later afternoon, will consist essentially of walking on the Ronti Galcier. Just before Ronti Gud, we will be able to see the confluence of Ronti Glacier and the glacier from Nanda Ghunti. By late afternoon, we should be out of the glacier zone and trekking continuously among huge stretches of boulders. The night will have to be sepnt over an overhang.

Day 7, 7:00am - The day will consist of trekking on countless ridges and will have multiple river crossings. We should reach Subahee at around 19:00hrs where the trek ends.

*We will have to keep a day or two as buffer for rest/acclimatization.
** Day 3, 4, 5 and 6 will have to have very early starts; we will be trekking on the snow and as the sun goes up, the snow will bcome softer and melt, making trekking difficult.

Do let me know if this fits into your scheme of things and if you think we can do this trek together. My only constraint is that my rail tickets are confirmed (which is a rare commodity) and I arrive at Haridwar on 22.09.2016 and have to depart from Haridwar on 06.10.2016, around noon. Apart from that, the program is flexible.

When we (three of us; we got together randomly at Wan) did the trek to Roopkund in June, it was without a guide; but this time I have contacted a guide, Kali, who was helping another group and he seems to be good. Others in the area have also recommended him. I can ask him if he too is in with the changed plans if we agree to go beyond Ronti Saddle.

Cheers!
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Hi,
Tried to private message you but didn't work.
We have the whole of Sept last week and Oct first week in hand for the attempt, so can collab
However, the dates that we have in hand are these >


Sat SEP 24 : Rishikesh
Sun SEP 25: Lohajung/Wan [attempt to reach Bedni bugyal or Ghora Lotani or in hill village at-least. we can reach Lohajung by 4 PM]
Mon SEP 26: Bedni Bugyal
Tue SEP 27 : Bhagubhasa
Wed SEP 28: ShilaSamudra/Dodang
Thur SEP 29: Homkund
Fri SEP 30: Ronti Gla Camp1[attempt to raise camp at snout else Gla]
Sat OCT 01: Camp2 [ChambaKarak right bank or on left bank enroute]
Sun OCT 02: Camp3
Mon OCT 03: Base village {Peng,Morana,Subhai}
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You would need to have rations for beyond Bhagubasa.

Homekund to glacier is around 4.7 Kms (not actual but estimation)
and the glacier extends a furthermore 5.7 Kms with the first backup route<JP routed> {relative} on gla. beyond 3.5 kms from glacier start [height 4500m]

From glacier snout, a camp amongst rocks is possible at 1.6-7Kms ahead [Kolkatta Metrorail camp]

At 4 kms ahead on left bank upper section, you have a camp section
while on right bank you have Chamba kharak camp site

approx its 8 kms from here to confluence of the Ronti nala with Rishi ganga

Reg the section from saddle to glacier - I have an Ice axe, crampons and static gears, but I believe it would be easier to move towards the right side.
I have some photos that I can share with you.
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Originally Posted by Prashant Menon View Post You would need to have rations for beyond Bhagubasa.

Homekund to glacier is around 4.7 Kms (not actual but estimation)
and the glacier extends a furthermore 5.7 Kms with the first backup route<JP routed> {relative} on gla. beyond 3.5 kms from glacier start [height 4500m]

From glacier snout, a camp amongst rocks is possible at 1.6-7Kms ahead [Kolkatta Metrorail camp]

At 4 kms ahead on left bank upper section, you have a camp section
while on right bank you have Chamba kharak camp site

approx its 8 kms from here to confluence of the Ronti nala with Rishi ganga

Reg the section from saddle to glacier - I have an Ice axe, crampons and static gears, but I believe it would be easier to move towards the right side.
I have some photos that I can share with you.
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Hi endurolimits,
As no personal data can be shared as such and there is the 10 day moratorium; it is better we chat it out here itself [Darn! ]

To give a brief idea, I have had mixed climbing experiences in Scotland (last year) and am aware of basic ropework (belay, abseil, climb and anchor :P). In addition, I have done Roopkund twice apart from Tapovan and Chandrashila in Himalayas in the past. My aim from this trek is to further my learning in terrain mapping and route exploration.

Well that said, I would be accompanied by a friend of mine who also has done Roopkund in the past is quite fit!

We were planning to get a porter or a NIM guide to come along so that we could improve further upon. I use Garhwal East swiss map, Russian map for reference and route plotting.

We are fine with collaborating or doing it together as resources shared is always fruitful and less of wastage I wished to know more about your backup plans/safety-escape plans and for AMS management. Also, have you dealt with ropes etc before ?

Ps: reg. the dates - Sadly, we would not be able prepone any further
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Originally Posted by Prashant Menon View Post I wished to know more about your backup plans/safety-escape plans and for AMS management. Also, have you dealt with ropes etc before ?
You know, that's why having these discussions in the open forum instead of via emails is so good: we get to know about the details involved in these interesting treks.
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Hi Rasika,
However it is embarrassing to write what you have done before and ask what have you done before hand in front of rest. These loom prettier in the cozy confines of private emails :-D However yes, once am done with my analysis; I will share away all that I have for sure
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Hi Prashant,

I tried sending you other messages, but those, I am told, await pproval by the moderator.

I am principally an ultramarathoner who uses these treks as a supplementary training. This trek broadly falls in the same category, though that is not the ONLY purpose and with time, I am enjoying trekking and am looking at it as more than just cross training.

Treks wise, Sandakphu, Annapurna Round Trek and Roopkund is what I have in my resume. There have been a lot of fastpacking trips I have undertaken in the Sahyadris, but I wouldn't refer to them as treks since the singular purpose was training for my ultramarathon events.

Fitness wise, i would claim to be quite fit (even if my paunch creates a doubt in the minds of others. :P).

I have contacted a guide, Kali, who I had found to be quite proficient. He had agreed to come on board but then, I had said I would be trekking only till Ronti Saddle. Going beyond Ronti Saddle is a new development and I will need to confirm with him if he's still willing.

No, except for a few rappelling experiences, I have no knowledge of ropework. I will be taking a guide essentially for that purpose. I would rely on the guide to decide beforehand what the backup/escape plan will be and then go ahead with it depending on how comfortable I am with it. As for AMS, till now nothing has happened for me to suspect that I would be affected by it. Nevertheless, I shall be carrying diamox with me at least to deal with the symptoms as I descend to a lower altitude.

The dates, I had mentioned in the earlier which did not get posted, are okay with me; we can meet directly at Wan.

Do let me know what your thoughts are.

Regards,
Vishwas Bhamburkar





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Originally Posted by Prashant Menon View Post Hi endurolimits,
As no personal data can be shared as such and there is the 10 day moratorium; it is better we chat it out here itself [Darn! ]

To give a brief idea, I have had mixed climbing experiences in Scotland (last year) and am aware of basic ropework (belay, abseil, climb and anchor :P). In addition, I have done Roopkund twice apart from Tapovan and Chandrashila in Himalayas in the past. My aim from this trek is to further my learning in terrain mapping and route exploration.

Well that said, I would be accompanied by a friend of mine who also has done Roopkund in the past is quite fit!

We were planning to get a porter or a NIM guide to come along so that we could improve further upon. I use Garhwal East swiss map, Russian map for reference and route plotting.

We are fine with collaborating or doing it together as resources shared is always fruitful and less of wastage I wished to know more about your backup plans/safety-escape plans and for AMS management. Also, have you dealt with ropes etc before ?

Ps: reg. the dates - Sadly, we would not be able prepone any further
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Hey endurolimits,

Hey no worries. if you have done treks earlier it's fine for me
For sure, you would be way fitter than am. ultramarathon! :P
Regarding ropework, it's fine as this is not much a technical problem except glacier and saddle.

I believe Kali is a local guide who takes chaps till Ronti; if that be, I would advise liaising with a few NIM guides since the trek can be used to learn a few about terrain mapping, technicals etc. Also, I think we need to sit down and brainstorm soon over logistics + food aka porters. The place is way remote and it might be better to carry nominal dal-chawal something than maggii (sorry Nestle!).

Also for route we can use this map : URL (excellent detailed terrain map!). Also you had mentioned about carrying ropes. What mm single rope are you using/renting ? We usually go for 50-60m single rope 9.5/10mm dia ones.

Cheers!
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Originally Posted by Prashant Menon View Post Hey endurolimits,

Hey no worries. if you have done treks earlier it's fine for me
For sure, you would be way fitter than am. ultramarathon! :P
Regarding ropework, it's fine as this is not much a technical problem except glacier and saddle.

I believe Kali is a local guide who takes chaps till Ronti; if that be, I would advise liaising with a few NIM guides since the trek can be used to learn a few about terrain mapping, technicals etc. Also, I think we need to sit down and brainstorm soon over logistics + food aka porters. The place is way remote and it might be better to carry nominal dal-chawal something than maggii (sorry Nestle!).

Also for route we can use this map : URL (excellent detailed terrain map!). Also you had mentioned about carrying ropes. What mm single rope are you using/renting ? We usually go for 50-60m single rope 9.5/10mm dia ones.

Cheers!
Prashant (Max)
Hi Prashant,

1. Yes, I have done treks before and know what it entails. I am not jumping into the dark. :P

2. I shall need assistance in ropework; but from what I have heard ropework might be necessary to get down to Ronti Galcier from Ronti Saddle. Elsewhere on the glaciers, it will not be needed.

3. True, Kali takes people till Ronti Saddle. Not sure who would go further as not too many people go beyond Ronti Saddle. If you know any NIM guides, that will be a definite advantage. You are right; this will be a great opportunity to learn about terrain mapping and technicals.

4. Yes, we definitely need to sit down and brainstorm about logistics and food. But till we are able to get private messages across, this is the only forum. Or perhaps, we could post one-sentence replies so that the condition of 10 posts is fulfilled and we are able to connect through private messages.

5. My take about food is that we will need lots of calories/carbs which is what noodles/pasta will provide (I am putting to use my experience of nutrition during ultras here) it might be better to carry Maggi/Pasta. Of course, my idea, as I said, is ased on my nitrition plans during an ultra run and the needs for trekking might be different. Since it is question of 6 days beyond Bhagwabasa, (Till Shilasamudra, Homkund, Ronti Glacier Camp 1, Ronti Glacier Camp 2, Camp 3, till base village, i.e Subahee/Peng/Morana), I would suggest carrying Noodles/Pasta as being dry food, it will be lighter. To supplement energy requirements, we can carry some choclates.

6. Do you think we will need porters? I would be okay with carrying my own stuff, but if you feel we might need porters, I am okay with that too.

7. Yes, I downloaded the map; it is quite detailed.

8. I need a lot of ropes for my ropework during training. I have to purchase/replace my ropes; so might as well go in for 10.5mm rope; I think decathlon sells them in 100mts units as well; so shall pick it up from there.

Do let me know if I have missed out on any point.

Cheers!
Vishwas
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Hey Vishwas,

[Ropes]
Regarding ropework - I really don't think we would need much since the better plan is not to go over the saddle but skirt from the east and join the Ronti/Trishul gal.
It would save us energy as the gradient hardly goes above/below 30% then.
Also, better to go for a shorter rope. In multi-pitch climbs as well we use 50/60m single ropes of 9.5/10mm dia. plus weight factor. It's just the diameter of the ropes should be same if we buy multiple ropes. It becomes horrendous pain with multi diameter rope abseil [no plan to do it in this trek! :-P]
Anyway, on ropes; let's hold on for now.

[Food]
Pasta and Noodles :-S Am not sure my stomach can deal with this daily for a week. am a wee bit traditional dal-chawal on treks. :P really sorry on this

[Guide-Porters]
Let me speak with a few NIM guides. Ideally on a known route and not so remote; I would have preferred an alpine attempt but here I was a bit doubtful. However, you seem quite confident; that lends me a bit to go sans porters. Nevertheless, let me speak with the Guide. Also since he is from uttarkashi; he can assist to rent out stuffs from the NIM itself which is quite cheap.

Speaking of the saddle; this are two alternatives to climbing-clambering to the snow chute couloir on the other side.

1. Go Eastward: Reach the saddle approach; deviate towards south east and climb over the ridge line. Once on the hillock, follow the declining ridgeline and move towards Trishul peak before moving northwards towards the identified Tarn [water source] and potential camp location if need be. From here one just needs to follow along the glacier. This path has a gradual incline and decline never more than 30%. less energy and safer. [green line is the potential approx route. pink concentric lines are contours. ignore rest lines]

2. climb sub peak: One needs to climb the hill on east[right]; follow a ridge line moving towards the glacier. I am still working on this route. [this was mentioned by JP in another thread]

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Hi Prashant,

{Ropes}

Agree; from whatever little I know about reading terrain maps, not going over the Ronti Saddle but skirting it from the East seems to be a good idea. [Either of the two options; going east or climbing the hill on the East seem okay but let's wait for the final plotting of the route to take a call.]

As you have said, I am putting buying the ropes on hold till we have finalised other things.

As we decide, I shall make sure the ropes I buy are are the same dia as yours to avoid unnecessary nightmares.

{Food}

I suggested pasta/noodles because they would be easier to carry plus only one utensil would be needed to prepare them. With dal-chawal, there will be requirement of additional spices (even if just salt) which would be a tad inconvenient. However, since as you say you're a bit traditional about food choices, may I suggest the ready to eat upma or similar where one needs to just add hot water? I am only trying to reduce the inconvenience. Else, I have no trouble whatsoever with dal chawal or anything else.

{Guides/Porters}

Since this is largely unchartered territory, we must mandatorily have a guide with us. Porters is what I was suggesting skiping. I can carry a load of about 25kgs without too much trouble; the only thing is it might slow me down a bit. After all, in May-June this year, along with a friend, I cycled 1600kms from Ahmedabad to Wan, then did the Roopkund trek and then cycled back to Haridwar. We were both carryig backpacks which weighed around 15kgs.

Two questions I need a clarification from you:

1. Do think I should buy an Ice Axe for this trip? [I will be investing in one anyways sooner rather than later for my other plans...]

2. Have you any idea of what to do about the stove that we will need to cook food? Do you have one/do you plan to rent one? [A friend has purchased one for some Rs.700-800/- from Laxminagar in Delhi and he says it is damn good investment. He has used that on different treks.]


Cheers!
Vishwas
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hi

I would like to join you guys. i have completed sandakphu phalut and dzongri goechala trek in last 1 year. i dont have knowledge about ropes or ice axe . I can carry my own pack. Decently fit for the trek.

Hope to hear from you guys if slot is still open. Please ask if any other queries.
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