Short Trek for High Altitude

babuchand · Apr 18th, 2007, 07:02

I think many have misunderstood u if u r asking for a trek (only trek) to be completed within 4-6 days.(excluding the journey to road head)

u can try these options....milder to harder
1. tapovan 4 days (base gangotri)
2. chandratal-tokpogongma-tokpoyongma-barlachala 4days
2. satopanth tal 5 days (base badrinath)
3. kedartal 5days (base gangotri)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prasham

I am willing to go for a trek preferably that can be completed in 4-6 days. I love trekking in higher altitudes (more than 14,000 Fts). Late may - mid june is preferred timing.

Have any suggestions? URGENT.

Nick-H · Apr 18th, 2007, 11:49

I have always found it hard to understand how it is possible to dilute something to the point where it does not exist any longer!

But in homoeopathic medicine it is so... Each time it is diluted, one drop of that will be added to another large quantity of water, and then the same again.

The numbers indicate how diluted it is, and the greater the dilution, according to homoeopaths, the stronger the effect!

At some stage of manufacture, there would have been the extract from the coca leaf. But if your homoeo medicine is taken to the lab for analysis they will not find even one molecule of any substance related to that original leaf. Nothing. Whatever the lable on the bottle says, the lab will report... this is only water!

If you go to a homoeopathic doctor they will explain the principles behind this.

I hope I haven't put you, or anyone else, off homoeopathy --- I have found it amazingly effective sometimes.

Bhaswaran · Apr 18th, 2007, 12:11

Yes, Homeopathy is pretty effective and comes with very little or no side effects. ALthough it takes some time. I always abide by it.

It completely cured my chronic sinusitis from which I suffered for over 7 years.

AvidTrekker · Apr 18th, 2007, 13:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by babuchand

I think many have misunderstood u if u r asking for a trek (only trek) to be completed within 4-6 days.(excluding the journey to road head)

Misunderstood? Please read post # 6 again. Here is what the OP stated in post # 6...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prasham

Can you help me out. I have 6-7 days from delhi - XXXXXX - delhi and then I shall have to return to gujarat. Can you suggest some desitantion? PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE.

I don't have to defend myself, coz i have done no wrong.

Since most of the posters above are ganging up on me and vistet as the guilty parties for treating a newcomer somewhat harshly, I should give some background and reference to context....

Has anybody understood that one can lose one's very life in such a foolhardy venture? Or suffer so much that one will forget trekking for the rest of this lifetime? My intention is to enable anyone to enjoy the mountains for a long long time every year without getting severely sick or worse ....

I have seen such cases, treated them successfully and heard of many others where the person has died. I have led and enabled children as young as 10 in a big group [of 35] to cross a 15000 foot pass with only minor AMS probs which were treated successfully. [its a medical observation that children are far more susceptible to AMS than adults][even YHAI strictly disallows children under 15, and YHAI goes only upto 13000 feet]. My Pin Parvati 2005 group was under severe stress coz the previous year they had lost a colleage who "flew in" and started trekking within 10 mins at Leh. They were visibly relieved when they crossed the 5319m Pass without incident & this included three first timers to the Himalaya.

I have no need to blow my own trumpet further. Its quite embarrassing.

Next time around I may not answer trekking queries in such detail and leave you wiser gents to guide someone to his or her suffering or even worse.....

Have you thought of this.....

"in spite of coca or homoeopathic coca or garlic or diamox or gingko biloba or urine, if someone dies after going on a trek as per your sage advice", will you take moral responsibilty for your misplaced actions?

I rest my case. I will not answer such threads from now on. It seems that genuine concern for someone's life and limb are anathema here, what can I say.... what can i really do ? Nothing but watch.

Nick-H · Apr 18th, 2007, 14:00

Avid, you are an acknowledged authority on these matters.

I have no knowledge at all, having never really been up anything you would call a mountain. Otherwise I should certainly be supporting you. In general terms, having been seeing your excellent specialist posts on several specialised subjects here I do support you.

I meant to add, by the way, and was foolish not to do so, that despite my general belief in homoeopathy I would not in any way rely on it in a life-threatening situation, nor would I recommend others to do so.

There is absolutely no need for you to justify yourself. Your posts are very much appreciated by most of us.

If someone wants to do something silly, at sea, up a mountain or with wild animals, whatever --- ultimately we cannot stop them.

But I trust and request that you will continue to post your advice and warnings.

Bhaswaran · Apr 18th, 2007, 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick-H

I meant to add, by the way, and was foolish not to do so, that despite my general belief in homoeopathy I would not in any way rely on it in a life-threatening situation, nor would I recommend others to do so.

Absolutly correct. Homeopathy cannot be relied in a life-threatening situation.

The golden rule for high-altitude trekking is, as said, GO SLOW, go along the pace that your body can adjust. That is best preventive measure. One just have taken Coca twice a day, seven days before starting the trek does not mean that he can run up to 15000 feet or higher whatever. Then no Coca or Diamox or anything can save you. There is no remedy except bringing down the person concerned to down as soon as possible.

capt_mahajan · Apr 18th, 2007, 14:59

Seem to be some similarities between high altitude trekking and deep sea diving... taking things slowly.

AndreasW · Apr 18th, 2007, 16:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by AvidTrekker

If something bad happens to someone after "taking coca" [which is a banned substance and can give you 20 years in jail], would you acknowledge responsibility for such a harebrained tip??

"in spite of coca or homoeopathic coca or garlic or diamox or gingko biloba or urine, if someone dies after going on a trek as per your sage advice", will you take moral responsibilty for your misplaced actions?

Avid, In India are a few of the best homoeopathic schools of the world! My comment doesn't meant, use Coca and ascend quickly and clueless in such altitudes!!! I want only to enlighten your mistake in case of Cocain and homoeopathic Coca and how to use it!
Yes, I'd acknowledge responsibility for such a "harebrained" tip for people who learned self-responsibility, but only for these!
I appreciate such empirical knowledge and I'd like share this with other ones experiences here.

Say it and warn again: Coca doesn't replace well acclimatization but is able to support it!
Homoeopathy can be helpful also in a life-threatening situations, but required a lot of knowledge and the right self-assessment. It's able to learn...

Homeopathic Self-Care Manual

You are absolutly correct in all your comments and I/we appreciate this, but Nick's prophecy is also true:

Quote:

If someone wants to do something silly, at sea, up a mountain or with wild animals, whatever --- ultimately we cannot stop them.

Sorry for some misunderstoods.

Shanti
AndreasW

praks · Apr 18th, 2007, 16:35

Coca, Diamox or even garlic may help in acclimatising but is not a surefire method to avoid AMS. The only tried and tested way is to ascend slowly. Climb high and sleep low is the best way to acclimatise. Drink lots of water, get plenty of rest and do not hesitate to turn back if you feel uncomfortable. No matter how fit you are at sea level, you need to go slow at altitude.

I watched a very fit and able physical fitness trainer die of AMS because she did not spend the mandatory second night at Namche Bazar on the Everest route. She proceeded to Thyangboche, fell ill and had to be carried back down, but died before reaching Namche. All in a matter of two hours from the time she first felt ill. And this was not the only death I have witnessed. There have been others. On the positive side we have also managed to save a couple of others by carrying one down while administering oxygen and another by using a Gamow bag all night till the helicopter came.

I personally do not see the point in trekking in the Himalaya just for a few days. Best to stay longer and enjoy the beauty rather than just rush up and back risking your life in the bargain. I always advise people venturing into the Himalaya to go slow, not rush it and to have sufficient number of spare days.

Prasham · Apr 18th, 2007, 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by AvidTrekker

Misunderstood? Please read post # 6 again. Here is what the OP stated in post # 6...

I don't have to defend myself, coz i have done no wrong.

Since most of the posters above are ganging up on me and vistet as the guilty parties for treating a newcomer somewhat harshly, I should give some background and reference to context....

Has anybody understood that one can lose one's very life in such a foolhardy venture? Or suffer so much that one will forget trekking for the rest of this lifetime? My intention is to enable anyone to enjoy the mountains for a long long time every year without getting severely sick or worse ....

I have seen such cases, treated them successfully and heard of many others where the person has died. I have led and enabled children as young as 10 in a big group [of 35] to cross a 15000 foot pass with only minor AMS probs which were treated successfully. [its a medical observation that children are far more susceptible to AMS than adults][even YHAI strictly disallows children under 15, and YHAI goes only upto 13000 feet]. My Pin Parvati 2005 group was under severe stress coz the previous year they had lost a colleage who "flew in" and started trekking within 10 mins at Leh. They were visibly relieved when they crossed the 5319m Pass without incident & this included three first timers to the Himalaya.

I have no need to blow my own trumpet further. Its quite embarrassing.

Next time around I may not answer trekking queries in such detail and leave you wiser gents to guide someone to his or her suffering or even worse.....

Have you thought of this.....

"in spite of coca or homoeopathic coca or garlic or diamox or gingko biloba or urine, if someone dies after going on a trek as per your sage advice", will you take moral responsibilty for your misplaced actions?

I rest my case. I will not answer such threads from now on. It seems that genuine concern for someone's life and limb are anathema here, what can I say.... what can i really do ? Nothing but watch.

Your advice are precious. So never let any fool like me or anyone else stop you from giving your precious advice to anyone. CARRY ON SIR.

ba9rn · Apr 18th, 2007, 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by AvidTrekker

I will not answer such threads from now on.

Please do not stop giving your much appreciated advice, AT. If you care to re-read this thread, you will see little/no evidence that anyone really doubts your word.

You have proven beyond doubt that you are qualified both medically and by mountain experience to answer such matters and I sincerely hope that you will reconsider, and continue to give advice and guidance.

praks · Apr 18th, 2007, 18:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by AvidTrekker

Next time around I may not answer trekking queries in such detail and leave you wiser gents to guide someone to his or her suffering or even worse.....

I rest my case. I will not answer such threads from now on. It seems that genuine concern for someone's life and limb are anathema here, what can I say.... what can i really do ? Nothing but watch.

One gives advice with good intent. Does not mean that the receiver has to heed it. So no point in getting so upset.

marshaltit · Apr 18th, 2007, 19:22

hi AvidTrekker
I think nobody questioned your wisdom or showed any disrecpect to you.This is a public board where we can freely exchange our view and learn from it(from more experienced members).But i am shocked the way you(a very senior member) reacted in your last post.I am sorry for subscribing in this thread.

machadinha · Apr 22nd, 2007, 09:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crickneck

Hi,my apologies for cutting in (rudely!)among you, obviously awesome tekkers. I haven't gone beyond 12,500 ft myself. I have a question: what is the effect of mild alcohol intake beyond 10,000 ft and say upto EBC level?

I'll leave it up to the experienced gents & dames here, but as far as I know it's just a bad idea.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AvidTrekker

I rest my case. I will not answer such threads from now on.

That would be a real shame.

himadventures · Apr 28th, 2007, 09:13

I do not think this should be suggested to do-even if someone has climbed Everest won't do this.
Human life is delicate think and may not be as MACHO as our egos are.
I have seen people gambling with lives...just to prove a point but it was certainly not worth of it.
Prasham ! please do not do like this. if you are alone, then it is more hanky-panky to trying to reach at high altitude all alone but if you are with friends...you may or your planning may spoil their vocation.
So, go slow and always respect the mountain / nature. They are there...you can always come back and climb them...but slowly ...slowly...

Apr 18th, 2007, 11:49	#32
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,693	I have always found it hard to understand how it is possible to dilute something to the point where it does not exist any longer! But in homoeopathic medicine it is so... Each time it is diluted, one drop of that will be added to another large quantity of water, and then the same again. The numbers indicate how diluted it is, and the greater the dilution, according to homoeopaths, the stronger the effect! At some stage of manufacture, there would have been the extract from the coca leaf. But if your homoeo medicine is taken to the lab for analysis they will not find even one molecule of any substance related to that original leaf. Nothing. Whatever the lable on the bottle says, the lab will report... this is only water! If you go to a homoeopathic doctor they will explain the principles behind this. I hope I haven't put you, or anyone else, off homoeopathy --- I have found it amazingly effective sometimes. __________________ . Just one member of the IndiaMike Mod Team

Apr 18th, 2007, 19:22	#43
marshaltit Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: durgapur,west bengal Posts: 19	hi AvidTrekker I think nobody questioned your wisdom or showed any disrecpect to you.This is a public board where we can freely exchange our view and learn from it(from more experienced members).But i am shocked the way you(a very senior member) reacted in your last post.I am sorry for subscribing in this thread. Last edited by machadinha : Apr 22nd, 2007 at 09:03. Reason: removed full quote

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Bhaswaran Landscape Photographer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kolkata. INDIA bhaswaran@redifmail.com Posts: 992	Yes, Homeopathy is pretty effective and comes with very little or no side effects. ALthough it takes some time. I always abide by it. It completely cured my chronic sinusitis from which I suffered for over 7 years.

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Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,693	Avid, you are an acknowledged authority on these matters. I have no knowledge at all, having never really been up anything you would call a mountain. Otherwise I should certainly be supporting you. In general terms, having been seeing your excellent specialist posts on several specialised subjects here I do support you. I meant to add, by the way, and was foolish not to do so, that despite my general belief in homoeopathy I would not in any way rely on it in a life-threatening situation, nor would I recommend others to do so. There is absolutely no need for you to justify yourself. Your posts are very much appreciated by most of us. If someone wants to do something silly, at sea, up a mountain or with wild animals, whatever --- ultimately we cannot stop them. But I trust and request that you will continue to post your advice and warnings.

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capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 10,509	Seem to be some similarities between high altitude trekking and deep sea diving... taking things slowly.

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praks Senile Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 326	Coca, Diamox or even garlic may help in acclimatising but is not a surefire method to avoid AMS. The only tried and tested way is to ascend slowly. Climb high and sleep low is the best way to acclimatise. Drink lots of water, get plenty of rest and do not hesitate to turn back if you feel uncomfortable. No matter how fit you are at sea level, you need to go slow at altitude. I watched a very fit and able physical fitness trainer die of AMS because she did not spend the mandatory second night at Namche Bazar on the Everest route. She proceeded to Thyangboche, fell ill and had to be carried back down, but died before reaching Namche. All in a matter of two hours from the time she first felt ill. And this was not the only death I have witnessed. There have been others. On the positive side we have also managed to save a couple of others by carrying one down while administering oxygen and another by using a Gamow bag all night till the helicopter came. I personally do not see the point in trekking in the Himalaya just for a few days. Best to stay longer and enjoy the beauty rather than just rush up and back risking your life in the bargain. I always advise people venturing into the Himalaya to go slow, not rush it and to have sufficient number of spare days.

Apr 28th, 2007, 09:13	#45
himadventures Maha Guru Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: India Posts: 1,069	I do not think this should be suggested to do-even if someone has climbed Everest won't do this. Human life is delicate think and may not be as MACHO as our egos are. I have seen people gambling with lives...just to prove a point but it was certainly not worth of it. Prasham ! please do not do like this. if you are alone, then it is more hanky-panky to trying to reach at high altitude all alone but if you are with friends...you may or your planning may spoil their vocation. So, go slow and always respect the mountain / nature. They are there...you can always come back and climb them...but slowly ...slowly...

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