sangla - harsil

ichtar

OK I think to do that : sangla - rupin pass - Goichri - following the Tons River to Jamnotri - Jamnotri pass - Durbald - Dodi Tal lake- Then joining the Baghirathi river
catching a bus to go to gangotri region.
I think that the spelling on the map I'm using is wrong and for example Jamnotri is yamunotri.

AndreasW

Hi, I think it's possible to find a way from Rupin- to Supin Valley through the Govind Wildlife Sanctuary over the mountain ranges or near the road in the Tons Valley: http://www.garhwalhimalayas.com/plan...ind/frame2.htm


Source: www.garhwalhimalayas.com

Sangla - Borasu La - Har-ki-doon is for foreigners in my opinion not so easy to organize, or not???




Source: http://www.stikage.com/maps.htm

An other (shorter!) itnerary starts in Rakchham (Sangla Valley) an leads over Lamea Pass (Shinka Pass) directly in the Supin Valley to Jakhol! This trekking is descripted in "Trekking and climbing in the Indian Himalaya" by Harish Kapadia.
But, I've heard a lot of stories about the mystical Dodra Kwar region an think it's worth to take the longer way...

Greetings
AndreasW

AndreasW

The long itinerary in my mind is:

Sangla - Rupin Pass - Dodra Kwar - Netwar (Naitwar) to Osla (perhaps by road?) - Ruinsara Lake - Yamunotri (Bali) Pass - Yamunotri - Hanuman Ghati - Darwa Pass - Dodi Tal to Uttarkashi or over a further Pass (Bamsaru Khal) in the east - Bhagirathi Valley

I think, the Dhumdar Pass (Ruinsara Lake - Harsil) is a little bit to strong for us
http://www.indiatravelogue.com/adve/moun/moun3.html

Greetings
AndreasW

AvidTrekker

Excellent trek!! I had planned this entire route in the other direction (from Uttarkashi Dodi Tal) but all the participants dropped out and the trek was called off. Please post a first hand account of your trek on this forum if and when you do it.

The book by Deepak Sanan and Dhanu Swadi has been my "bible" from 1999 to trek in Spiti / Kinnaur. Its an excellent book. They are a husband and wife team and Deepak Sanan has been the District Collector of both Kinnaur and Spiti. In India, this is a very senior post. Currently if i am not mistaken, Deepak Sanan is working at the Govt. secretariat at Shimla

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AndreasW

Thanks for your comment. - Hope I can realize this trek in the next 1-3 years, but I make enquieries about this remote and unknown regions already now! About the main trekking routes Sangla - Rupin Pass - Naitwar and Har-ki-Doon - Ruinsara Lake - Bali Pass - Yamunotri - Darwa Pass - Dodi Tal - Uttarkashi I'm well informed!

Up to now, I couldn't find informations about the possible variants to crossing Rupin Valley (near Dune or Doni) - unnamed pass - Supin Vally ( Lewari/Jakhol) and about the Trek Yamunotri - Bin Ghad - Bamsaru Khal (4800m) - Bhagirati Valley/Harsil
It will be helpful for me, if somebody have detailed informations about this parts! - Thanks in advance!

In this summer, I'll visit the Kinner Kailash region again! - Hope of Shiva's Darshan at the Lingam above the village Purbani and would like celebrate and document the Flowerfestival "Phulaich" on special places in Kinnaur like Changmang/Temcho Lake...

Andreas

ichtar

If I'll survive to my ladakh/zanskar trip I'll we be able to tell you about this trek.
concerning the dhumdar pass I'll can only dream of it as we will be only two peolpe
and having no technical stuff.
Hopefully we will be able to go through borasu pass, but I'm still wondering what's
happend if you are catch without such permit and if you can get such permit in sangla
for example.

AvidTrekker

To my info, there is no better book than Deepak Sanan's. Deepak Sanan could be met up with at Shimla and maybe he could give this info. Ultimately someone has to go trek and write about these routes on the web

Doni to Lewari or Jakhol or to the cave is crossable with a local. Going slow, it could take two days. I have been to Doni en route to Chansil Ghaati. It is thick jungle (with bears and leopards) and only a few villagers are familiar with the route. The younger generation in those villages is not too keen on walking which is a pity. Bamsaru khal /bin gad does not come in any of my maps.... so i can't figure it out.

This question .... no one can answer. The people who catch you are the Indo Tibetan Border Police. (ITBP) You may not encounter any patrol upto Borasu Pass on the Har ki doon side (i've been there). Sangla side... well .... who can say? You can't get a permit afterwards!! You may have to use other means of persuasion. The person who will actually question you (if at all!?!) will be an English speaking well educated Army officer who might not be very strict & let you off with a warning. This is again educated speculation. The Dist HQ of Kinnaur is Rekong Peo where the permit is issued. (not Sangla) (also avlble at Shimla the state HQ) I know many foreigners getting the permit at Rekong Peo (in a single day) for the road journey from Jangi to Sumdo... but this is not a trekking permit. Again, many people would not know the difference

ichtar

Hi all,

concerning the Borasu Pass I found this.
It is the story of a monk crossing the Borasu.
It is said that: no permit is required, although they get some little troubles in
checkpoint in sangla.
And it seem's that even if you have to walk on snow and ice it is not a galcier.
Goods new in fact
Check the full stoty following the links:
http://www.bhavana.us/multimedia/Him.../travhim2B.pdf

AvidTrekker

Nice story.... it gives me an actual account of someone travelling without a trekking permit. Can't say i recommend it ... but now i know that i am not likely to end up in Prison at least!!

AndreasW

@ichtar: Thanks for this interesting story. - Try it!!! - But the ITBP checkpoint is 4-5km behind Chitkul in the Sangla Valley. I can't believe that you catch this place unseen...

@AvidTrekker: Thanks for your statements to the Doni - Lewari stage. I've attached a map with the Bamsaru Khal trek...

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AvidTrekker

Neither do i believe that you can land up unseen.... but at least you won't end up in prison..... but then again.... who can predict?

Thank you!! It looks similar to a map in Harish Kapadia's book 'The Hidden Himalaya'..... I believe i can locate the book. If shown by Harish Kapadia, there will be references in the Himalayan Journal as well.... that means i will have to go to the Himalayan Club reference library.... ?

lucky

Hi Ichtar

I am unable to download the monk's story. can you do me a favour and send it to me at <singhnirlep@yahoo.co.in>.
We have planned the Har-ki-doon to Chitkul over Borasu pass trek in late august this year. Would post you the account.

Lucky

lucky

Hi

About 10 years back, after an aborted attempt to do Kinner Kailash Parikrama from the wrong side (we started from chitkul and were immediately confronted by the vertical climb and two days of stay below the pass amidst incessant rains and landslides) we just went for a stroll towards the ITBP check post. We didn't know that this point was out of bounds. The Jawan there greeted us and even took us into the barrack. When the officer came to know about it he came there with an armed guard and frisked us to his office. After he had let off all the steam he started to soften. In the end we all departed with a coffee treat by the jawans and the officer.
The officer there was not even aware that Indian Nationals were allowed access uptill Chitkul without permits. We had to show him the info inscribed on our nest and wings map to convince him.
All said and done, the taste of bitter coffee we had there still rings sweet in my memory.

Lucky

AvidTrekker

the area had barely opened up... so the army officer would not have known.

The area beyond Wangtu was opened up in 1992, but even diehard trekkers got the trickle down news by 1995.. and trekkers started going there from 1996.

Today the officers are generally very much in the know... still i believe that an Indian will not land up in prison for violating the inner line. Foreigners is a different matter altogether.

AndreasW

@AvidTrekker

I've found a description about the Bamsaru Khal Trek, but only in French:
http://www.zig-zag.tm.fr/Himalaya/la...SDUGAN GE.htm

This itinerary lie through remote areas at the south-southeast site of the holly Bandarbunch.

A shorter path, with many rivercrossings should be possible from Bamsaru Khal directly to Bhangeli/Gangani (Bhagirathi Valley)!

I would appreciate it, if someone had more information about this region. - Is this pass descripted by H. Kapadia "Across Peaks & Passes in Garhwal"?

Thanks, Andreas