Entering restricted areas without permit - what will happen?

MeCasa

I am a full believer in following rules and I would never knowingly go into an area I knew I was forbidden from

But what happens if I stumble into an area I didn't know was sacred

freemanx

depends on the money you`r willing to spend.

beach

If you've walked into a forbiden area unknowingly, walkout of it too 'unknowingly'!

That's what i would do in such a situation.

(you should be innocent; you should look like also innocent )

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AvidTrekker

The Forum heading is trekking & mountaineering. The thread is titled Permit +/-; may I assume here that you want to know about trekking permits? They are to be obtained for border area treks... from the District Magistrate's Office... and are checked by army guys on the trail. The "sacred place" where you should tread carefully is a temple, where one removes one's shoes before entering.

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MeCasa

I used 'sacred places' improperly as slang for those areas the governments requires permits. Bad choice of words.

I was really asking about enforcement and/or penalties of permit areas. However I did not realize that 'permit areas' were strictly border areas and possibly misunderstood and/or overvalued the areas set aside as permit only.

Thanks

Alchemy

MeCasa

Perhaps this is why I was asking about penalties?

You can't do the time, don't do the crime

What do they do to you? Although, armed troops sounds ominous.

AvidTrekker

There are very few places where you are trekking legally.... then happen to cross a high pass.... the exit trail happens to be "permit" Country.... and you have NO Permit because you started from a "legally" allowed zone..... AND you get arrested!

For example, the Borasu Pass. You start from Har ki doon which is open to all comers. You cross the Borasu Pass. The other side, you see the Army tents on the trail... no way to dodge them... too steep mountains. Those chaps demand Permit from you. You have none.

I don't know what happens next. As long as you don't look like a Pakistani or Chinese spy, they won't skewer and b'r'b'cue you. But how they will cook you... depends on the officer's mood that day.....

There are other places where this can happen... but I can't reveal them. This particular incident was discussed on IM and the Foreigner was let off with a mild warning cuz he happened to be a Buddhist Monk having hardly any posessions.....

Aaaah... the random cruelty of the Indian Army....

MeCasa

As always. fate is 40% skill and 60% luck, but when I read between the lines I see

"Don't push your luck"

Enough said

Hehe, I had to ask

praks

The Indian Army is just doing its job. It has no way of knowing whether the trekker is genuine or not and India's immediate neighbours are not exactly friendly. Infiltration with hostile intent is rampant. The US Border Patrol is known to shoot dead infiltrators from Mexico. The Indian Army is quite mild in comparison in spite of a greater threat by infiltrators. It is upto the trekker to research the trail requirements, including necessary permits, before starting out. Trekking permits for most areas, barring a few sensitive ones, are not difficult to obtain if you are a genuine trekker.

Nick-H

Remember the British aircraft enthusiasts who got arrested in Greece and imprisioned as spies for taking photos of planes?

This sort of thing happens all over the world.

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MeCasa

I'm not getting into a pro-american/anti-american thread but where do you get this stuff?

Either way, if I trek I will try to get the proper permits, one problem I will have to overcome is where to stash the bike and extra gear, I don't carry any more than necessary

AvidTrekker

That was actually a positive statement; lifted from vistet's vocab. He added a wink smilie later, which I didn't.... silly of me

The "permitless" trekkers were all given good chai-snacks and good warm treatment after the officer deduced they weren't spies. The foreigner Buddhist monk was actually treated with respect, after his bonafides were known...

Sorry for the misleading implication... i'll be more careful....

praks

I am not anti-american, or anti-anyone for that matter, but...

http://www.americas.org/item_8845

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:qtgFq6Fhk8sJ:ww w.local2544.org/docs/Agent%2520kills%2520alleged%25 20rock.pdf+US+Border+Patrol+sh oots&hl=en

http://www.nmsu.edu/~frontera/jun00/immi.html

http://www.rtfcam.org/report/volume_.../article_4.htm

MeCasa

I don't deny that there have been some instances where Border Agents were too gung ho, but the US has twice as much border as India. and these occurances are very few and very far between. Every incident is well documented.

My problem was the "mild in comparision" people constantly die and disappear in Northern India, the difference is that it doesn't even make the news.. It's OK to demonize Bush, not America, we don't condone mistreatment of illegal aliens. Millions of people cross that border with miniscule numbers of deaths due to the Border Patrol.

I'm not putting India down, fact I'm coming to India