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chits007 · Aug 19th, 2009, 23:55

It is very sad to hear about your friend; I haven't yet heard of any casualities at KK till now before you told me,for this year.

yes Shambhu Rawat is to be avoided in future; This is a Gaumukh Trek: Avoid Local operaor "Shambhu Rawat", Yeti Adventure
on avoiding Shambu Rawat posted on 31st May'09.
Wish it could be avoided if read on time !
What exactly happened to your friend? HACE ?

Lhotse · Aug 20th, 2009, 13:04

Thanks for your message. Yes its seemed to be HACE, the post mortem says myocardial infarction. I spoke to some of the people who trekked with him and they said he was fine till he fell into a crevasse just before the pass. After that he was disoriented and wasn't speaking properly, a clear sign. However, the people with him including the guides, seemed totally oblivious. In fact he and three or four others were way behind. He crossed the pass and while descending there was deep snow, he fell again and did not get up. He had to be carried to Raj Parav by porters but he was lying in the snow for two hours, since everyone had rushed ahead with the exception of one or two persons. There was a doctor on the team who gave him aspirin and diamox but I think it was too late. He vomited and they let him rest, assuming he is tired and sleepy!!! and he passed away that night- July 8.
What is appalling that these guys did not acclimatise properly and only rested at above 16,000 ft and some of them were ill and on diamox. They and the guides also did not see obvious signs of high altitude sickness when my friend fell for the first time.

jyotipg · Aug 21st, 2009, 11:52

So sorry to hear that. It's even sad to know that they went with Shambhu Rawat. We had an eventless crossing of KK in 2007 with Budhi, who has the guide given to us by Shmabhu Rawat. We were told that Budhi is a instructor in NIM and has also done Rescue course from NIM. Probably we were plain lucky that the whole team crossed over KK without a scratch. One of our friend was developing AMS and we sent him back from Vasuki Tal.

Diamox: We have never used it any of our high altitude treks till now. It doesnt cure AMS. It just suppresses the symptoms.

Probably its even time to confess that I was the one who introduced Shambhu Rawat to the this forum 4 years back. So, even I share a part of the blame for this disaster

.

Now, I should strongly discourage everybody from using his services for now here on.

My apologies and condolence to the bereaved family.
-JP

Lhotse · Aug 21st, 2009, 20:09

Hi
Thank you so much for the message. Did not mean to upset or blame anyone though. However, I was grateful to have read about it on IM even if it was too late. The larger issue is how people trek without acclimatising properly and using Diamox as some panacea.

jyotipg · Aug 23rd, 2009, 21:38

Yeah, this is a disturbing trend.. People going to himalayas with Dimaox filled pockets shows the increasing footsteps of amateurs on the higher himalayas. I saw the blog posted by the partners of your trek. It appeared they were under 250 mg of diamox right from Bhojwasa.

It just shows plain ignorance and absence of general guidance on how to tread the himlayas. The people just dont understand the need of acclimatisation.

Aug 19th, 2009, 23:55	#31
chits007 Maha Guru Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 573	It is very sad to hear about your friend; I haven't yet heard of any casualities at KK till now before you told me,for this year. yes Shambhu Rawat is to be avoided in future; This is a Gaumukh Trek: Avoid Local operaor "Shambhu Rawat", Yeti Adventure on avoiding Shambu Rawat posted on 31st May'09. Wish it could be avoided if read on time ! What exactly happened to your friend? HACE ? Last edited by chits007 : Aug 20th, 2009 at 15:48.

Aug 20th, 2009, 13:04	#32
Lhotse Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 3	kalindi khal Thanks for your message. Yes its seemed to be HACE, the post mortem says myocardial infarction. I spoke to some of the people who trekked with him and they said he was fine till he fell into a crevasse just before the pass. After that he was disoriented and wasn't speaking properly, a clear sign. However, the people with him including the guides, seemed totally oblivious. In fact he and three or four others were way behind. He crossed the pass and while descending there was deep snow, he fell again and did not get up. He had to be carried to Raj Parav by porters but he was lying in the snow for two hours, since everyone had rushed ahead with the exception of one or two persons. There was a doctor on the team who gave him aspirin and diamox but I think it was too late. He vomited and they let him rest, assuming he is tired and sleepy!!! and he passed away that night- July 8. What is appalling that these guys did not acclimatise properly and only rested at above 16,000 ft and some of them were ill and on diamox. They and the guides also did not see obvious signs of high altitude sickness when my friend fell for the first time.

Aug 21st, 2009, 11:52	#33
jyotipg Maha Guru Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 586	So sorry to hear that. It's even sad to know that they went with Shambhu Rawat. We had an eventless crossing of KK in 2007 with Budhi, who has the guide given to us by Shmabhu Rawat. We were told that Budhi is a instructor in NIM and has also done Rescue course from NIM. Probably we were plain lucky that the whole team crossed over KK without a scratch. One of our friend was developing AMS and we sent him back from Vasuki Tal. Diamox: We have never used it any of our high altitude treks till now. It doesnt cure AMS. It just suppresses the symptoms. Probably its even time to confess that I was the one who introduced Shambhu Rawat to the this forum 4 years back. So, even I share a part of the blame for this disaster . Now, I should strongly discourage everybody from using his services for now here on. My apologies and condolence to the bereaved family. -JP __________________ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/himalaya_trekkers/ 1995 - 2000: Beas Kund, Triundh, Chudhar peak,Dodital. 2001-till date: Tapovan, Khatling,Mayali Pass(Unsuccessful), Rudranath, Chandrashila peak, Pin Parvati Pass, Kalindi Pass, Mt. Yunum(Aborted), Roopkund, Junargali pass, Ronti Saddle. Last edited by jyotipg : Aug 21st, 2009 at 11:57. Reason: incomplete info

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Aug 21st, 2009, 20:09	#34
Lhotse Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 3	Hi Thank you so much for the message. Did not mean to upset or blame anyone though. However, I was grateful to have read about it on IM even if it was too late. The larger issue is how people trek without acclimatising properly and using Diamox as some panacea.

Aug 23rd, 2009, 21:38	#35
jyotipg Maha Guru Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 586	Yeah, this is a disturbing trend.. People going to himalayas with Dimaox filled pockets shows the increasing footsteps of amateurs on the higher himalayas. I saw the blog posted by the partners of your trek. It appeared they were under 250 mg of diamox right from Bhojwasa. It just shows plain ignorance and absence of general guidance on how to tread the himlayas. The people just dont understand the need of acclimatisation.