Is Khatling Glacier dispute with China ?

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edwardseco

Interesting find..

praks

Unless they are referring to another similarly named glacier, the Khatling glacier I know of is nowhere near the Chinese border but lies along the Auden's Col route in West Garhwal. It does not even lie within the Inner Line. So no question of any dispute.

Dilliwala

Zigackly. I checked the map and Khatling (yes, as per article it's the same one - source of Bhilangana) is bounded by Jogin glacier on one side and pretty much enclosed by Gangotri glacier from the north. In fact I'm unable to tell if it transgresses the border of Tehri Garhwal district into Uttarkashi district even. Either the Chinese have gone completely batty, or the reporter got his facts wrong.

capt_mahajan

or both.

VSK Sharma

Seems Indian Army is getting big doubts if the news is correct.

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Sadanand Kamath

The article does say that the Khatling glacier is not in dispute.
I think the reporter was probably short of his minimum quota of write-ups.

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Amitava343

There are no ITBP (Indo Tibetien Border Police)anywhere near the Khatling Glacier. The reporter has got his facts mixed up.
Khatling Glacier is the source of the river Bhilangana alo knownas Bhil Ganga. Before the Tehri Dam Bhilangana use to flow till Tehri (which the dam has swallowed)and flowed into the Bhagirathi.
These sort of articles should be pointed out as it creates doubts inthe minds of trekkers.

ashutosh69

This is bloody funny.....

One would have to cross the whole ridge of Jogin..Jaonli- Gangotri...then cross the Bhagirathi Valley and then the Northern ridges of Nelang before any hint of Chinese border...

Either the army has taken this reporter for a ride or this reporter is taking the public for a ride

The only sector in dispute ..as per China is the Northern Borders of Kumaon especially the Sumna -Lapthal-Topidunga region. CHinese call that as the disputed middle sector... and that whole area is regularly patrolled by ITBP.

This reporter is out of his mind.

Larsuld

This is a twenty year old map of the Western India-China border.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middl..._border_88.jpg

Anyone can tell me if it is still up to date with regards to the disputed areas? Or have some been resolved in the mean time?

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Dilliwala

Ok, this needs a bit of translation for the general public - if India is occupying, then it's disputed. If China is occupying, no dispute.
Or so the b......s wud have everyone believe.

Yes, it's up-to-date.

Resolved??!! In 20 years??!!
The only time it'll be resolved for the Chinese is if India simply gives up its claim.

crvlvr

Possession in 9/10th of the law. these border areas (which is why they became the borders in the first place) are inhospitable, especially in the winters. Usually troops, if any, withdraw during winter to return in spring. Whoever gets there first in the spring can then claim the area. It's up to the other party to kick them out, which usually results in an expensive border skirmish -- like the one in Kargil -- or wait until next spring and re-claim it. There is nothing in these areas to fight about except from poltician's perspective.

Dilliwala

That is not quite accurate. Almost without exception, except in Ladakh, the terrain is much more difficult on the Indian side, the PLA have a much easier time of it. Our winter-posts are well in from the border, e.g. for Niti La the nearest post in winter is at Gyaldung/Geldhung, 14 km from the pass, which itself is (now) a 6-km drive and 20 km walk from the ITBP base at Gamshali (also snowed in in winter). Similar posts are Sumna and Ghastoli (for Mana La).
Altho I wudn't like to be held to it, I believe the PLA are at their posts on the other side all winter.

Good point. I wish the CPC wud understand that.

ashutosh69

Bang on!! U are right. When we occupy its disputed..

Actually the Sumna-Lapthal-Chyandmu-Khingar Pass area in that sector lies just outside the line shown in Post Independence maps as "Undefined ". Those were the works of the Brits. It says undefined on the map (The 1956 US Army Map in the Texas university link mentioned elsewhere in this thread) but still there is a line drawn. So I guess the ITBP decided to go and open posts in areas that had easy access in and around that line saying undefined...anyways....

coming back to the point ...Khatling Glacier is nowhere near all those areas...what got into that army official quoted in that ToI report??