Advise Please! Bhaba Pass/ Tarik La Kinnaur

Dilliwala · Mar 30th, 2008, 01:29

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Originally Posted by AvidTrekker

The Govt always wanted an all weather road to Leh NOT via Kargil to avoid future shelling from across the LOC (after the Kargil fiasco). One such thing is the tunnel under Rohtang. It starts below Solang and comes out in a Valley going left of Darcha. (forget the name)

The exit for the Rohtang tunnel is near Teling, 6 km before Sisu. I saw the new road leading to the exit last Oct on way to Keylang. There's a bridge at Teling across the Chandra which connects to the new road, and the customary sign-board.

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....I fell in love with that Valley, the valley that has Mulling etc. One of the most beautiful that I have seen in the Himalaya. Very verdant, green, mostly untouched by "civlization". Full of rare flora and fauna. Very easy to trek upto the bottom of the Pin Bhaba Pass....

I'm guessing this is Pin Valley National Park?

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Let me get my fill of this place before the inevitable happens. So I am praying that the road does not come up any day sooner... than 2017

Well, you have a clear conflict of interest with Barai.

I must admit I'd like to drive from Wangtu to Attargo or v.v. as well, but not if there's destruction of natural habitats. Let's hope for some in-between formula.

Dr.Barai · Mar 30th, 2008, 10:55

A road doesn’t necessarily mean a lot of traffic and instant industrialization/urbanization of the area. On theory a road allows the local resources to be tapped and fetched to the market where there is demand. I am not sure if this area is rich in certain resources that will encourage commercial activities. Neither I think that the road will attract great many tourists as well. In India general tourists associate Himalaya with snow and to see snow they currently prefer and I assume will continue to prefer a soft destination like rhotang pass where u can just step out of ur car and touch the snow and return to the comfort of a hotel within hours. So I believe the road will not be an environmental hazard but a delight to all travel enthusiasts like me who simply does not have the stamina to climb great mountains.
Other way just not having a motorable road does not ensure preservation of environment, Look what has happened to area surrounding the way to Mount Everest!!!

Dilliwala · Mar 30th, 2008, 17:36

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Originally Posted by Dr.Barai

....Neither I think that the road will attract great many tourists as well. In India general tourists associate Himalaya with snow and to see snow they currently prefer and I assume will continue to prefer a soft destination like rhotang pass where u can just step out of ur car and touch the snow and return to the comfort of a hotel within hours.

That's right, I've been on roads where you can drive for two hours and only encounter 3-4 vehicles.

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So I believe the road will not be an environmental hazard but a delight to all travel enthusiasts like me who simply does not have the stamina to climb great mountains.

, altho I shud be

AvidTrekker · Mar 31st, 2008, 00:17

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Originally Posted by Dilliwala

I'm guessing this is Pin Valley National Park?

No. Pin River is after you cross the Bhaba Pass. This is the Wangar Valley National Park (is there such a thing??) also known as the Bhaba Valley

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Originally Posted by Dilliwala

Well, you have a clear conflict of interest with Barai.

I must admit I'd like to drive from Wangtu to Attargo or v.v. as well, but not if there's destruction of natural habitats. Let's hope for some in-between formula.

The speed at which State Govts here work, I believe I'll win

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Dilliwala · Mar 31st, 2008, 16:42

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Originally Posted by AvidTrekker

No. Pin River is after you cross the Bhaba Pass. This is the Wangar Valley National Park (is there such a thing??) also known as the Bhaba Valley

Ok, I was confused about the geography then. I thought you meant Mulling as in the infamous block, but now I see MULING (spl?) on the map between Yangpa and Bhawa pass. (BTW, are Bhawa/Bhaba pass, Pin Bhaba pass and Wang Khango [Sanan] all the same place?).
If you meant this area, then that's the eastern edge of Rupi Bhaba WLS (around Katgaon). The Wangar Gad (a.k.a. Bhaba river??) lies outside the sanctuary though.

Dr.Barai · Mar 31st, 2008, 16:55

Is it possible to find an accommodation at Kafnu or what is the nearest option ?? How far is bhaba top from there? Can mules reach bhaba top?

AvidTrekker · Apr 1st, 2008, 01:06

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Originally Posted by Dilliwala

Ok, I was confused about the geography then. I thought you meant Mulling as in the infamous block, but now I see MULING (spl?) on the map between Yangpa and Bhawa pass. (BTW, are Bhawa/Bhaba pass, Pin Bhaba pass and Wang Khango [Sanan] all the same place?).
If you meant this area, then that's the eastern edge of Rupi Bhaba WLS (around Katgaon). The Wangar Gad (a.k.a. Bhaba river??) lies outside the sanctuary though.

Deepak Sanan has mentioned "Rupi Bhaba Wildlife Sanctuary" parts of which (the Wangar left bank ??

) are in the Wangar Valley.

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Originally Posted by Dr.Barai

Is it possible to find an accommodation at Kafnu or what is the nearest option ?? How far is bhaba top from there? Can mules reach bhaba top?

Lots of staying options at Kafnu. More than ten "hotels" (dhabas with a first floor

) But these are located in the "less picturesque" part of Kafnu, downriver from the LAKE.

What I want you to stay in... somewhere with a view of the lake. Its a Govt lake and only Govt officials get to stay in the "Lakeview" Guest House. I wouldn't mind putting up a tent in the maidan just above the lake...

Try to stay somewhere with the lake view.... BTW the Lake can be seen on Wikimapia and Google Earth very clearly

Kafnu to PB Pass top will take three days. Tents & food to be carried. Kafnu to Mulling or Neugal. Thence to Fushtiring. Thence to PB Pass top. Mules go regularly, but they have also slipped in the last stretch. I was actually afraid to look at my mules during that particular stretch.
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Dilliwala · Apr 1st, 2008, 21:09

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Originally Posted by AvidTrekker

Deepak Sanan has mentioned "Rupi Bhaba Wildlife Sanctuary" parts of which (the Wangar left bank ??

) are in the Wangar Valley.

My apologies, I misread the map (Outlook Traveller Guide - article also by Sanan). Yes, the Wangar does go thru the sanctuary, close to Katgaon in fact.
Re my Q re pass and river names above - all same?

Dr,
For what it's worth, the OTG also mentions an SEB rest house at Katgaon.

AvidTrekker · Apr 2nd, 2008, 00:09

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Originally Posted by Dilliwala

My apologies, I misread the map (Outlook Traveller Guide - article also by Sanan). Yes, the Wangar does go thru the sanctuary, close to Katgaon in fact.
Re my Q re pass and river names above - all same?

Dr,
For what it's worth, the OTG also mentions an SEB rest house at Katgaon.

The Pin Bhaba Pass = Wang khango

River Bhaba = River Wangar

SEB is State Electricity Board.

OTG is ..... ????? Anyone?

Where do you get HPSEB permission to stay at Kafnu?
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Dr.Barai · Apr 2nd, 2008, 00:13

OTG= OUTLOOK TRAVELLERS'S GUIDE. Thats my safest guess

Dilliwala · Apr 2nd, 2008, 22:20

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Originally Posted by Dr.Barai

OTG= OUTLOOK TRAVELLERS'S GUIDE. Thats my safest guess

Very safe, specially since it says so in the first line of #23.

Surprised Avid missed that, unless he was thinking of Oven Toaster Grill - I believe those Bombay guys can really eat up!

Avid,
I wud say a safe bet to book SEB RH is at Shimla. Other than that, maybe at Rampur or Bhabanagar. The one at Bhabanagar can apparently be booked locally.

Here's what I found on HPSEB site. Doesn't list Katgaon, but maybe the list isn't updated:
http://www.hpseb.com/rti/rtih43.htm

Some fone nos. here:
http://www.hpseb.com/rti/rtih26.htm
http://www.hpseb.com/rti/rtih29.htm

Dr.Barai · Apr 2nd, 2008, 22:24

Thanks for those useful links!!

AvidTrekker · Apr 3rd, 2008, 00:49

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Originally Posted by Dilliwala

Here's what I found on HPSEB site. Doesn't list Katgaon, but maybe the list isn't updated:
http://www.hpseb.com/rti/rtih43.htm

Katgaon comes before Kafnu. The dam and lake are at Kafnu, NOT Katgaon. Annway, let Dr. Barai try to get acco at Kafnu RH and post it here...

Thanks for the numbers and links to HPSEB
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Dilliwala · Apr 3rd, 2008, 01:00

Avid, I'm just repeating Deepak Sanan's info from OTG. He says the SEB RH is at Katgaon.

AvidTrekker · Apr 3rd, 2008, 01:33

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Originally Posted by Dilliwala

Avid, I'm just repeating Deepak Sanan's info from OTG. He says the SEB RH is at Katgaon.

Oh... OK.

But the beautiful place to stay is the lake at Kafnu. Katgaon does not have any lake.

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Mar 30th, 2008, 10:55	#17
Dr.Barai Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lucknow Posts: 307	A road doesn’t necessarily mean a lot of traffic and instant industrialization/urbanization of the area. On theory a road allows the local resources to be tapped and fetched to the market where there is demand. I am not sure if this area is rich in certain resources that will encourage commercial activities. Neither I think that the road will attract great many tourists as well. In India general tourists associate Himalaya with snow and to see snow they currently prefer and I assume will continue to prefer a soft destination like rhotang pass where u can just step out of ur car and touch the snow and return to the comfort of a hotel within hours. So I believe the road will not be an environmental hazard but a delight to all travel enthusiasts like me who simply does not have the stamina to climb great mountains. Other way just not having a motorable road does not ensure preservation of environment, Look what has happened to area surrounding the way to Mount Everest!!!

Mar 31st, 2008, 16:55	#21
Dr.Barai Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lucknow Posts: 307	Is it possible to find an accommodation at Kafnu or what is the nearest option ?? How far is bhaba top from there? Can mules reach bhaba top?

Apr 2nd, 2008, 00:13	#25
Dr.Barai Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lucknow Posts: 307	OTG= OUTLOOK TRAVELLERS'S GUIDE. Thats my safest guess

Apr 2nd, 2008, 22:24	#27
Dr.Barai Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lucknow Posts: 307	Thanks for those useful links!!

Apr 3rd, 2008, 01:00	#29
Dilliwala Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dilli Posts: 2,742	Avid, I'm just repeating Deepak Sanan's info from OTG. He says the SEB RH is at Katgaon.

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