When will we see India in a FIFA WC?

greenchutney · Jun 13th, 2006, 07:42

will we ever? it just embarrasses me

as i watch trinidad & tobago, ivory coast and what not there and india is nowhere around..does anybody even know who we lost in the qualifiers?

dont tell me its not eating cows the reason...what does the esteemed panel/peanut gallery here think? gus hiddink wanted?
any guesses?

sshekhar · Jun 13th, 2006, 08:03

Probably will open a can of worms by saying this but we are not designed to play any sort of physical sports

. Definitely not until we give up vegetarianism.

If there was a world cup for doing taxes etc, then I would confidently put my bet on the Indian team. On the bright side, Indian teams are known to do well in mathematics olympiad, it is a sort of non-physical olympics!!

On a serious note, there was a very good article on bbc once that basically drew a parallel between India and Brazil. Both countries play only one sport well (India probably cricket and Brazil definitely soccer). The guy's analysis was that this dominance of one sport kills any opportunity for other sports. Brazil just like India manages not to win a single medal in the olympics

.

capt_mahajan · Jun 13th, 2006, 08:11

umm, never?

tough to play internationally when nobody plays domestically. well, almost nobody.

Hadji · Jun 13th, 2006, 13:05

Hey, we're pretty good at Hockey too, right.

At least the women are.

pooch · Jun 13th, 2006, 13:15

India used to be a power in Asia somewhere till the early 70's, the oil money then bought the gulf countries good coaches and they took over till Korea and Japan came along. I think the Indian cricket board could give the football board some of it's revenues to improve football in India.

Vibhu Jindal · Jun 13th, 2006, 13:20

well a little known fact is that India reached quarter or semi-finals of Football event in 1956's Helsinki Olympic before being finally defeated by Russia.

we were a good team at Asian level till 1980

lonelyaztec · Jun 13th, 2006, 14:32

Well the question can be other way.

When will we ever see Ivory coast playing cricket ? We play cricket and we have a very good team.

We are good at shooting, wrestling etc..

iloveindia1234 · Jun 13th, 2006, 17:18

It's not eating cow meat...it is just that cricket is dominated india soo much that other sports have been neglected....lol..definetly a country which has won wars and a big player is Asia cannot be considered weak just because most of them are vegetarians

iwanttogoback · Jun 13th, 2006, 17:22

Quote:

Probably will open a can of worms by saying this but we are not designed to play any sort of physical sports . Definitely not until we give up vegetarianism.

oh come on, you are damn good at cricket, hockey, weightlifting - what else guys?

and no, i don't think guus hiddink is available just now

Penri · Jun 13th, 2006, 17:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by lonelyaztec

Well the question can be other way.

When will we ever see Ivory coast playing cricket ? We play cricket and we have a very good team.

Australia, South Africa, England and Trinidad & Tobago (West Indies).

All are cricket test nations who also rank much higher than India in Fifa' rankings

New Zealand would also be higher if the OFC competitions were up to the standard of AFC: This is highlighted by the number of NZ players involved in European club competition.

India has the potential to develop a good national team, however this is hampered by the relatively low quality organised football at national and grassroots level. It needs investment, time, astute marketing and a bit of luck (such as the a prolonged drop of form by the national cricket team

)

The good news for any future qualification to the World Cup is the low number of genuine qualification contenders in the AFC division. (Although this has been made harder by Australia's defection from OFC.)

The achievements of the USA and Japan football/soccer development model would be a good starting point.

fred.hp · Jun 13th, 2006, 18:09

India withdrew from participation in the 1954 world cup finals after being refused permission to play barefoot.

fred.hp · Jun 13th, 2006, 18:12

They're currently raked 117th in the world by fifa. Hong Kong and Palestine are joint 115th. New Zealand are 118th.

goangoangone · Jun 13th, 2006, 22:11

Goa nearly play football, but all the refs are bent.

NYBadshah1 · Jun 13th, 2006, 23:42

It was actually 1950 when they withdrew. Personally, I think India is quite far. I think they are as far from qualifying (or maybe more) than we (the US) are from winning the whole thing. I think both will happen in my lifetime (next 50-60 years). But in Asia there are at least 15 teams better than them, and right now Asia only has 4-5 spots. India only started to attempt to qualify was 1986. There they fell 2 points short of advancing out of the first round. After that they would have had to win 2 sets of 2 game series. They didn't try in 1990. In 1994, they finished last in their first round group, and in 1998 they finished second to last in the first round group. In 2002, they did their best. They almost got out of the first round, finishing 1 point behind and only had one loss. This past year it was more of the same as before, as they finished in 2nd to last place and 14 points behind. Asian Cup qualifying as been the same. I think that India has to use the strategy that other up and comers have used. They need to use NRIs or PIOs. Also, they need to set progressive goals. First, they need to have a goal of getting past the first round of qualifying by 2014 or 2018, and also possibly an Asian Cup qualification during that time. Then after that they can realistically think about qualifying. India reminds me of the US soccer program in the 1960s. We had success previously, but the game wasn't homegrown. We didn't have the soccer institutions or infrastructure. Then we slowly developed all of that, and qualifed in 1990 for the first time in 40 years, and we are slowly improving. I think India can do the same thing. I heard that among the younger generation soccer is more popular than cricket, and the reception to the World Cup has not persuaded me otherwise. The Indian love for the game is there. It certainly did surprise me. India has the potential to qualify for the World Cup, but they need to develop the infrastructure and to set logical goals.

crvlvr · Jun 14th, 2006, 00:23

India will make it easily if they create a professional league and start paying players some real money. Given the boom in the advertising I am surprised the football franchise is not growing rapidly like cricket has.

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greenchutney Account Closed Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: planet earth Posts: 1,579	When will we see India in a FIFA WC? will we ever? it just embarrasses me as i watch trinidad & tobago, ivory coast and what not there and india is nowhere around..does anybody even know who we lost in the qualifiers? dont tell me its not eating cows the reason...what does the esteemed panel/peanut gallery here think? gus hiddink wanted? any guesses?

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Jun 13th, 2006, 08:03	#2
sshekhar Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 131	Probably will open a can of worms by saying this but we are not designed to play any sort of physical sports . Definitely not until we give up vegetarianism. If there was a world cup for doing taxes etc, then I would confidently put my bet on the Indian team. On the bright side, Indian teams are known to do well in mathematics olympiad, it is a sort of non-physical olympics!! On a serious note, there was a very good article on bbc once that basically drew a parallel between India and Brazil. Both countries play only one sport well (India probably cricket and Brazil definitely soccer). The guy's analysis was that this dominance of one sport kills any opportunity for other sports. Brazil just like India manages not to win a single medal in the olympics .

Jun 13th, 2006, 08:11	#3
capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 9,622	umm, never? tough to play internationally when nobody plays domestically. well, almost nobody.

Jun 13th, 2006, 13:15	#5
pooch Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Middle East <---->India Posts: 384	India used to be a power in Asia somewhere till the early 70's, the oil money then bought the gulf countries good coaches and they took over till Korea and Japan came along. I think the Indian cricket board could give the football board some of it's revenues to improve football in India.

Jun 13th, 2006, 13:20	#6
Vibhu Jindal Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 423	well a little known fact is that India reached quarter or semi-finals of Football event in 1956's Helsinki Olympic before being finally defeated by Russia. we were a good team at Asian level till 1980

Jun 13th, 2006, 17:18	#8
iloveindia1234 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 116	It's not eating cow meat...it is just that cricket is dominated india soo much that other sports have been neglected....lol..definetly a country which has won wars and a big player is Asia cannot be considered weak just because most of them are vegetarians

Jun 13th, 2006, 18:09	#11
fred.hp Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The London Borough Of Lambeth Posts: 15	India withdrew from participation in the 1954 world cup finals after being refused permission to play barefoot.

Jun 13th, 2006, 18:12	#12
fred.hp Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: The London Borough Of Lambeth Posts: 15	They're currently raked 117th in the world by fifa. Hong Kong and Palestine are joint 115th. New Zealand are 118th.

Jun 13th, 2006, 23:42	#14
NYBadshah1 Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 7	It was actually 1950 when they withdrew. Personally, I think India is quite far. I think they are as far from qualifying (or maybe more) than we (the US) are from winning the whole thing. I think both will happen in my lifetime (next 50-60 years). But in Asia there are at least 15 teams better than them, and right now Asia only has 4-5 spots. India only started to attempt to qualify was 1986. There they fell 2 points short of advancing out of the first round. After that they would have had to win 2 sets of 2 game series. They didn't try in 1990. In 1994, they finished last in their first round group, and in 1998 they finished second to last in the first round group. In 2002, they did their best. They almost got out of the first round, finishing 1 point behind and only had one loss. This past year it was more of the same as before, as they finished in 2nd to last place and 14 points behind. Asian Cup qualifying as been the same. I think that India has to use the strategy that other up and comers have used. They need to use NRIs or PIOs. Also, they need to set progressive goals. First, they need to have a goal of getting past the first round of qualifying by 2014 or 2018, and also possibly an Asian Cup qualification during that time. Then after that they can realistically think about qualifying. India reminds me of the US soccer program in the 1960s. We had success previously, but the game wasn't homegrown. We didn't have the soccer institutions or infrastructure. Then we slowly developed all of that, and qualifed in 1990 for the first time in 40 years, and we are slowly improving. I think India can do the same thing. I heard that among the younger generation soccer is more popular than cricket, and the reception to the World Cup has not persuaded me otherwise. The Indian love for the game is there. It certainly did surprise me. India has the potential to qualify for the World Cup, but they need to develop the infrastructure and to set logical goals.

Jun 14th, 2006, 00:23	#15
crvlvr Guru Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hollywood Posts: 4,407	India will make it easily if they create a professional league and start paying players some real money. Given the boom in the advertising I am surprised the football franchise is not growing rapidly like cricket has.

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