Gold Medal for India

TheFoolOnTheHill · Aug 12th, 2008, 20:00

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Karuna: "Actually does it matter whether it happened or not? Is it not still rather terrible that the idea of putting another's life at risk is something to boast about?"

Brishti: "i aint shocked TFOTH... just weary - deal with this mentality on a day to day basis".

Thank you much for saying the above! And yes I posted #41 before I read the # 40 comment...

In my wise old age, I find that I prefer to ignore the ... well, shall we call it the Avoid Loud and Aggressive people, They Are Vexations to the Spirit ... certain kind of comments

Off for a cuppa now

but still want to see the maid's youtube, for sure!

federica · Aug 12th, 2008, 23:10

Congratulations for the gold medal!

Now India and my tiny village have something in common, a gold medal winner in shooting

No comments on Abhinav Bindra's father.... I guess the son made the best out of the situation.

shashank.aggarwal · Aug 12th, 2008, 23:59

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Originally Posted by brishti

we are talking about you justifying what the father said.
let me repeat - i do not care about the newspaper reports... this is about YOUR reaction.

My reaction to TFOTH, comparing Abhinav Bindra to the Nanda case. How can you take the fathers statement and try to show the other side of the coin..

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Originally Posted by brishti

heck - on second thoughts - forget it... i need no clarifications.

I guess this is not the first time you have said this, but unfortunately you keep on returning here and still have no clarification to give ?

Its very easy and make a hard to read post and then say "No..you cannot get it..forget it ", if this was the logic that you trying to explain the similarities between the two cases, then I am sorry, I guess I will take solace in myself being dumb.

Haylo · Aug 13th, 2008, 03:37

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Originally Posted by shashank.aggarwal

Its common in this part of the country, more so in Punjab for fathers to exaggerate situations and boast about their sons. The maid in the scenario could have been an uncle, grand parent, elder sibling or anyone. It should be taken as a rhetorical statement.

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Originally Posted by karuna

It probably would not even occur to a British father to boast in such a way.

No, in this country boasting in any way is seen as very poor form, and not something to be admired. If I heard someone boasting that they'd let their child shoot at a maid, I would assume they were totally off their rocker, not only for allowing it but also for admitting it, because they would be getting a visit from the authorities very soon!

However, shocking as they seem to me, it seems that in India such statements are not taken seriously, and should not be taken seriously.

It sounds as if there is yet another major cultural difference here, I find things like that endlessly fascinating, so thanks Shashank for pointing it out.

Even though his family is rich, which would have freed him up from all those petty little time consuming things like putting food on his table, it is still a major achievement. He was competing against people from countries who sponsor their athletes so they too can practice full time. Whatever his advantages in life, he still had to earn that medal the hard way, so kudos to him.

puchoo · Aug 13th, 2008, 10:36

No and No...

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Originally Posted by shashank.aggarwal

All the points taken, this is where

I wanted this to come. No keeping in mind the discussion we have had, please answer the following :

1. Does it take away any credit from the medal winner ?

2. Is it justified to compare the medal winner with the BMW murderer ?

Prashant.M · Aug 13th, 2008, 11:23

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Originally Posted by Haylo

No, in this country boasting in any way is seen as very poor form, and not something to be admired. If I heard someone boasting that they'd let their child shoot at a maid, I would assume they were totally off their rocker, not only for allowing it but also for admitting it, because they would be getting a visit from the authorities very soon!

Wrong. Here also boasting is not considered in good form. The shooting incident happened before anybody could even notice it. Please read the reports first and then judge. Link to the article in TOI: Post #50.

skk · Aug 13th, 2008, 11:59

The presumed ( I think he just exaggerated ) shooting incident does illustrate a lack of safety considerations by the father though. Any shooting practice by a 7 year old who hasn't been taught firearm safety should be strictly supervised; and the firearms should be kept in a secure place or otherwise secured( trigger lock) - the supervision and or the securing of the firearm would ensure that there's no way the kid "get hold of the gun, loads it, get the maid to stand somewhere with a bottle on her head, aims, fires and luckily misses her and actually hits the bottle" - What about the shards from the bottle ?

And once firearm safety has been drilled into the child- he'll know the central tenet - don't point it at another human being unless you intend to harm them.

He was only a kid of course, untrained on firearm safety at that - the dad IS culpable.

And, yup, I have a Glock .40 caliber semi-automatic that I always, ALWAYS keep secure with a trigger lock; and I had a BB gun, in India, many decades ago, spring loading mechanism, not this modern pneumatic or C02 stuff of course and even then, my father taught me firearm safety.

-skk

TheFoolOnTheHill · Aug 13th, 2008, 12:18

@ Haylo: ( see the quote below)

Boasting is very bad form anywhere, indeed. As you very correctly pointed out, in other countries such a tactless boast would result in a media-trailed, documented visit from the authorities.

Only in Delhi/Chandigarh, the visit may well end up in an autograph hunt rather than a thorough investigation + condemnation of firing at a maid!
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Whether the incident occurred in the manner reported is irrelevant now. The discussion is about the cultural awareness of even saying something like this - and it being accepted nationwide sans shock. That bothers me!

Glad to see that there are other like-minded souls here.

Yes, Poppa Bindra is culpable. But this is a culture of Let's Worship The Money. His wealth overshadows any negative criticism he'll ever receive in any media in India - except on free-thinking forums like this!

Haylo said:
"No, in this country boasting in any way is seen as very poor form, and not something to be admired. If I heard someone boasting that they'd let their child shoot at a maid, I would assume they were totally off their rocker, not only for allowing it but also for admitting it, because they would be getting a visit from the authorities very soon!

However, shocking as they seem to me, it seems that in India such statements are not taken seriously, and should not be taken seriously"

mridula · Aug 13th, 2008, 12:21

TFOTH, I would agree with you that Bindra senior would not face criticism for his statement and it is a sad state of affairs!

shashank.aggarwal · Aug 13th, 2008, 12:28

why should he face criticism, just because he is Rich ? and his some achieved something due to which we all know his name ?

Do you mean to say the people with lesser economic power have never done anything stupid in their life ? Or is it just because that we have not achieved enough to be in Media highlight and hence our every statement is not scrutinized ? What is it was some poor person who might have said this ?

PS : But again TFOTH, I am confused what you are trying to prove over here, you started off by saying that Abhinav Bindra is a rich kid, hence no major thing that he won a medal, then you said that his father said this, you were trying to criticize the guy, then you said that you commend Bindra on the medal, I guess then came the Nanda comparison and Abhinav Bindra was caste as villain. And now what, all these things gone. So what is the point in arguing now, we all know that this was a stupid statement, which has a hint of exaggeration, which we are not sure happened or not. Even if it happened then it was done by a 7 year old kid and he was unsupervised and using an Air Gun.

Let me ask you another question ? what would you do if a father from acrobat family told you that he was surprised when his child jumped from a 10 feet high wall when he/she was 6 years old ? And the person is from poor background, performing on the streets.

capt_mahajan · Aug 13th, 2008, 12:34

Offtopic, and a generalised comment not targeted at the Bindra clan

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in other countries such a tactless boast would result in a media-trailed, documented visit from the authorities.

We are a step ahead of those countries; we have universally accepted that the ends justify the means in all walks of life.

Well, almost universally.

mridula · Aug 13th, 2008, 12:42

Shashank, all I mean is that whoever put the life of others in danger is stupid in my dictionary.

And Bindra junior has done a commendable feat in winning the gol medal!

shashank.aggarwal · Aug 13th, 2008, 12:46

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Originally Posted by mridula

Shashank, all I mean is that whoever put the life of others in danger is stupid in my dictionary.

Thanks for Accepting it

its just a Stupid Statement, and he did not put life of anyone in danger, so this disqualifies Bindra Sr. from facing any criticisms, and takes away all the sins that he has performed by being rich.

mridula · Aug 13th, 2008, 13:02

No Shashank I meant that Bindra Senior is stupid (and anyone who behaves like him) and it would be a lot to the credit of his son if he just shuts his mouth and doesn't come up with irresponsible statements.

puchoo · Aug 13th, 2008, 13:07

This threads taking quite a U-turn...

Aug 12th, 2008, 20:00	#61
TheFoolOnTheHill The Enlightened One Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: The Himalayas Posts: 153	I'd posted my comment #41 before reading #40 (Quote) Karuna: "Actually does it matter whether it happened or not? Is it not still rather terrible that the idea of putting another's life at risk is something to boast about?" Brishti: "i aint shocked TFOTH... just weary - deal with this mentality on a day to day basis". Thank you much for saying the above! And yes I posted #41 before I read the # 40 comment... In my wise old age, I find that I prefer to ignore the ... well, shall we call it the Avoid Loud and Aggressive people, They Are Vexations to the Spirit ... certain kind of comments Off for a cuppa now but still want to see the maid's youtube, for sure! __________________ Say no to Novocaine - Transcend Dental Medication

Aug 13th, 2008, 12:18	#68
TheFoolOnTheHill The Enlightened One Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: The Himalayas Posts: 153	boasting and the local authorities! @ Haylo: ( see the quote below) Boasting is very bad form anywhere, indeed. As you very correctly pointed out, in other countries such a tactless boast would result in a media-trailed, documented visit from the authorities. Only in Delhi/Chandigarh, the visit may well end up in an autograph hunt rather than a thorough investigation + condemnation of firing at a maid! ------------- Whether the incident occurred in the manner reported is irrelevant now. The discussion is about the cultural awareness of even saying something like this - and it being accepted nationwide sans shock. That bothers me! Glad to see that there are other like-minded souls here. Yes, Poppa Bindra is culpable. But this is a culture of Let's Worship The Money. His wealth overshadows any negative criticism he'll ever receive in any media in India - except on free-thinking forums like this! Haylo said: "No, in this country boasting in any way is seen as very poor form, and not something to be admired. If I heard someone boasting that they'd let their child shoot at a maid, I would assume they were totally off their rocker, not only for allowing it but also for admitting it, because they would be getting a visit from the authorities very soon! However, shocking as they seem to me, it seems that in India such statements are not taken seriously, and should not be taken seriously"

Aug 13th, 2008, 12:21	#69
mridula Sair Kar Duniya Ki Galib , Jindagani Fir Kahan ... Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 1,949	TFOTH, I would agree with you that Bindra senior would not face criticism for his statement and it is a sad state of affairs! __________________ Mridula Travel Tales from India

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mridula Sair Kar Duniya Ki Galib , Jindagani Fir Kahan ... Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 1,949	Shashank, all I mean is that whoever put the life of others in danger is stupid in my dictionary. And Bindra junior has done a commendable feat in winning the gol medal!

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