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#1 Sep 29th, 2005, 21:54
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It's weird how my fears from about a month ago, when I just started reading this forum, got replaced by actually pretty good confident feeling about my future India experience. Only 1.5 days away from my flight, I was never more relaxed and cool. It made me wondering how all this happened, and reminded me the basic yoga practice rule - if you want to get the asana right visualize it before. I think that what I was doing here on IM for the last month, reading all the others' experiences I was trying to visualize my own and now it seems so clear to me, as if I was in India before... well, some you of might tell me that this is misperception of the reality, since it's not my own experience, these are pieces of feelings and perceptions of other people, probably very different from me. Yes, it's true, so why the travel books industry is so successful and why this forum exist at all? Why can't we just jump into unknown and try to learn by ourselves? Maybe we do need some kind of visualization before we do certain things. We all afraid of mistakes, or more correctly of doing what's not right for us... We have to know where we are going so we can go there. We have to create a "scene" in our mind for what will be happening in reality. Wheather it was or wasn't my wish - my mind is full of these scenes right now, and the "show" is going to start very soon. Will it go as planned? lets face it, it never does, otherwise life will be fully predicted. So why do we need to visualize the unknown?
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Question Vizualize aasana

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Originally Posted by FirstTimer It made me wondering how all this happened, and reminded me the basic yoga practice rule - if you want to get the asana right visualize it before.
yad bhaavam tad bhavati goes the Sanskrit saying. Simply meaning "As the thought, so it happens" In your case, "as the vizualization, so the aasana" [perfection in aasana]
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I think that what I was doing here on IM for the last month, reading all the others' experiences I was trying to visualize my own and now it seems so clear to me, as if I was in India before...
An Indian would say you were here in [one of] your previous birth/s.
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my mind is full of these scenes right now, and the "show" is going to start very soon. Will it go as planned? lets face it, it never does, otherwise life will be fully predicted. So why do we need to visualize the unknown?
We are all afraid of the "unknown"; more or less. Visualization helps to make some of the "unknown" into "known". Hence reduce the fear. One may argue that it is only mental visualization. But then fear [of the unknown] is also a mental phenomenon.
The Universe is an ellipsoid?... or a Spheroid?? If the sphere smiles... it becomes an ellipse. This IS Creation.
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AvidTrekker - thanks for putting some light on my confused morning thoughts
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Exclamation Welcome!

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You are WECOME!!

You're the third Yoga buff in as many days to discuss on these forums!!

hawaiiyogagrl, goldenyogi, and FirstTimer.

From what I have noticed and observed. Could be more.

I am trying to get our [Yoga-buff] numbers higher so that can request Mike for separate Yoga [sub-forum topics] heading
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Originally Posted by AvidTrekker I am trying to get our [Yoga-buff] numbers higher so that can request Mike for separate Yoga [sub-forum topics] heading
wow! that will be great, this is actually one of the topics I couldn't find much info about on IM, and actually all the purpuse of my visit to India is taking meditation and yoga classes and learn from the origins what my western teachers can't teach me... after practicing yoga for more than 5 years and trying several teachers and technics I found western teachers "translating" a lot, trying to match it to our lifestyle, and coming up with new "rules" that will help us in "our" world. it bothers me a bit, it seems to go against the yoga philosophy which sees the world as one universe...

and on the practical note - can you recommend some "serious" yoga/mediatation places in Dharamsala and Rishikesh?

thanks!
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Thumbs up Yoga in Rishikesh

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Originally Posted by FirstTimer wow! that will be great, this is actually one of the topics I couldn't find much info about on IM, and actually all the purpuse of my visit to India is taking meditation and yoga classes and learn from the origins what my western teachers can't teach me... after practicing yoga for more than 5 years and trying several teachers and technics I found western teachers "translating" a lot, trying to match it to our lifestyle, and coming up with new "rules" that will help us in "our" world. it bothers me a bit, it seems to go against the yoga philosophy which sees the world as one universe...

and on the practical note - can you recommend some "serious" yoga/mediatation places in Dharamsala and Rishikesh?

thanks!
Personally I don't know any. hawaiiyogagrl seems to know some... as she intends to go practise some place in Rishikesh. You could send her a PM. Maybe the two of you could go together....
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Originally Posted by AvidTrekker I am trying to get our [Yoga-buff] numbers higher so that can request Mike for separate Yoga [sub-forum topics] heading
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Originally Posted by FirstTimer wow! that will be great, this is actually one of the topics I couldn't find much info about on IM,
Here's some fodder till we get our own forum heading... [By the way... this is in Yak Yak Yak and it could be shifted to "Spirituality and religion"... can some mods do the honours please!!]

Please have a look at these threads on Yoga and Karma....

What is Yoga?

Another thread on the topic or karma.

yrec.info is a well known yoga forum resource...yogagal has given another link to a Yoga forum for advanced Yoga practitioners at this site.


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and actually all the purpuse of my visit to India is taking meditation and yoga classes and learn from the origins what my western teachers can't teach me... after practicing yoga for more than 5 years and trying several teachers and technics I found western teachers "translating" a lot, trying to match it to our lifestyle, and coming up with new "rules" that will help us in "our" world. it bothers me a bit, it seems to go against the yoga philosophy which sees the world as one universe...
Suddenly IndiaMike is getting the real "Yoga" aspirants as compared to "workout-called-Yoga" aspirants.

What a real breath of fresh air!! Please keep it coming!!!

Three in three days, plus yogagal and other unknown ones...

If you have any "one-Universe" queries i'll be glad to give my little bit by way of whatever i know.
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I wanted to be all smart and yogic at one point in my life. And since I'm a rather extreme individual, I tried out the most insane form of yoga. It's called Bikram yoga or hot yoga. Basically it involves doing acrobatic asanas cirque du soleil style in 105 degree heat for over an hour. Ya I was really enlightened after that, especially when I skipped the shower and walked straight out into the snow. I was so crazy after that the people insisted I come back for a free lesson coz they knew there was no way in hell I'd even attempt it again. But I regret not going back. I never felt more of a dopamine high in my life. Physiologically, let alone spiritually, yoga does something to people.

Hey avid tell me about the one universe.
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Originally Posted by genevieve_lalune I wanted to be all smart and yogic at one point in my life.

genevieve, I never try to convince people to practice yoga, but the temptation is too big... I just want to tell you one thing and I know it might sound like a cliche, but I have no other words - the greatest, most unbelievable and magical things started happening in my life after my first month of yoga practice... and I'm not talking about my cirque du soleil style abilities
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Basically it involves doing acrobatic asanas cirque du soleil style in 105 degree heat for over an hour.
that's because a 100 degrees is the temprature in the shade during an indian summer.
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Originally Posted by crvlvr that's because a 100 degrees the temprature in the shade during an indian summer.
which reminds me that NYC summers could be "hot" too
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Thumbs up One Universe

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Originally Posted by FirstTimer after practicing yoga for more than 5 years and trying several teachers and technics I found western teachers "translating" a lot, trying to match it to our lifestyle, and coming up with new "rules" that will help us in "our" world. it bothers me a bit, it seems to go against the yoga philosophy which sees the world as one universe...
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Originally Posted by genevieve_lalune Hey avid tell me about the one universe.
The general tenor of discussion was alluding to the fact that a majority consider Yoga as a highly exotic form of an Oriental gymnastics-contortionist routine. If that were true, all yoga buffs would be circus performers!!

Yoga is spiritual in its message. Most have ignored this reality. The gullible students don't know about it.

Body hardihood is required for a person merely to sit still for a long time... so that one can concentrate/meditate without fidgeting [first physically, then mentally]. This spiritual approach does NOT appeal to MANY people... because ALL spiritual methods in this World have a limited following [incl. Yoga which is one of the many spiritual approaches...]

In this whole scheme of diluting the teachings[to attract more ppl to make a quicker and bigger buck, teachers outdid themselves to "invent" new styles of Yoga. For example; your experience of haTha yoga aasanas in a Sauna...

It was heartening to see so many Yoga buffs on IM in so short a time, which fact we were rejoicing. So FirstTimer made her remark that the teachers are diluting the original Universal nature of Yoga teachings. Giving it their own twist, so to speak. hawaiiyogagrl wrote in another thread that her students are appreciating her "spiritual essence teachings" in her class at Hawaii.

The one Universe is a very simple concept. We all belong to this one Universe. We all belong to the same original cause. We all are created by the same Supreme Principle. [God is a principle] God is ONLY ONE; but we refer to this Principle by millions of names [which is very much O K].

FirstTimer may be referring to the fact that none of the teachers in her five years told her clearly about the Universality of Yoga which is the same in all of Planet Earth. Since we all breathe the same air, have the same blood, even inter-marry among different races, there is no need to "americanize" Yoga [anglicize, latinize, whatever]. It should be taught "as it is" or at least nearer to its original simplicity.

But then all the students will run away. No dollars will come. Can you imagine a teacher saying, "from tomorrow you must all speak the truth all the time, or else don't come to my class" [something to that effect]. Or maybe "from tomorrow you must practice non violence in deeds and words" ... etc.

This is how I have understood it. Am practising Yoga with this kind of understanding. Its been a long time.

But then, to each his own. Its not at all wrong to exercise.

To convey a picture different than the original; merely for the sake of lucre, is well.... behaviour of convenience.

We have enough of marketing and B-schools teaching that. Nowadays even THEY are getting wiser. They have realized that long term customers are retained much better if you tell them the truth.

Here, my immediate concern is to convince Mike to give a separate Forum Heading called Yoga just under "Spirituality and Religion"

Very very short sighted and non-Yogic goal .... Hoping for Mike to melt this time around...
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Welcome to India, and i am sure u will have a gr8 time.

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Maybe FirstTimer should have a read of this thread.........

India adopts fighting position to hold on to ancient yoga poses
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PRIYA - actually I did read this thread and find it very intersting, although for me "fighting" in wetsern yoga interpretation is like trying to stop the wind... maybe it's the universe itself that would like the east and the west to be mixed... maybe it's about time that the eastern side of the globe will share its secrets... any translation is subjective, but isn't it better to get just pieces of the truth than never knowing it at all? I believe that eventually any yoga practice, even "western" style, will bring you to look for that truth... it just might take longer

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