the theft of yoga
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No doubt. Of course at one time in the history there was no Xianity and Islam. But now is now. And the veddas should be given a special class of their own.
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Because of too much cultural similarities between Israeli and „pre Israeli“ archeological artifacts + no proof of the Egypt exile it is possible this is just a myth and they were a part of the local population there. "Ayodhya for correcting a wrong of the history. We will prepare a grand mosque for muslims. No problem there. It is give and take for peace."
Leaving aside the fact that Rama is a mythical figure, the destruction of the Ayodhya Mosque was a BJP political stunt during their safronistation of India drive. If as you say Hindusim (a overused illusionary term)assimilates all then there was no need to destroy the mosque. Both groups had historically used the mosque.
The people who destroyed the mosque the so called kar sevaks were there to further the BJP idea if Hindutva or Hindu nationalism. Choosing a one sided version of history.
Indeed there is much evidence that says Ramkot hill was never an important temple in the first place.
Many academics after the event agreed.
Give and take for peace after nearly 2000 people died is rather like closing the door after the horse has bolted.
I do however agree with the core of your agrument Sanatana Dharma (a more correct description of the many threads and condradictions of so called Hinduism)) has done better than most main stream religions or philosophies.
Leaving aside the fact that Rama is a mythical figure, the destruction of the Ayodhya Mosque was a BJP political stunt during their safronistation of India drive. If as you say Hindusim (a overused illusionary term)assimilates all then there was no need to destroy the mosque. Both groups had historically used the mosque.
The people who destroyed the mosque the so called kar sevaks were there to further the BJP idea if Hindutva or Hindu nationalism. Choosing a one sided version of history.
Indeed there is much evidence that says Ramkot hill was never an important temple in the first place.
Many academics after the event agreed.
Give and take for peace after nearly 2000 people died is rather like closing the door after the horse has bolted.
I do however agree with the core of your agrument Sanatana Dharma (a more correct description of the many threads and condradictions of so called Hinduism)) has done better than most main stream religions or philosophies.
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May 13th, 2010, 01:03 Yoga Outlaw
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and the discussion continues on the world wide web....
WHY DOES DEEPAK CHOPRA AGREE WITH HINDU NATIONALISTS?
ARE YOGIS HINDUS?
Chopra, yoga, Hindus, tantrik yogis...curiouser and curiouser.....
WHY DOES DEEPAK CHOPRA AGREE WITH HINDU NATIONALISTS?
ARE YOGIS HINDUS?
Chopra, yoga, Hindus, tantrik yogis...curiouser and curiouser.....
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"Takes passion to know passion...Without it, you'll never understand me."
"HINDUISM
A student of Hinduism can be compared with one of those blind-folded wise men who set about to examine an elephant by touching it and came up with totally different ideas about what the elephant looked like, none of which were factual. Hinduism is like a multifarious ocean of beliefs and modes of worship with an indeterminate origin. It comprises within itself the most sublime philosophies and gross fetishism of all kinds of objects which are worshipped."
Yes, the evolution of "Hinduism" over millennia has as, yet not reduced itself to any one path or form, rather it is a amalgamation of many threads of reformism, denial and speculation. From a loving liberalism to oppressive Dichotomy.
A student of Hinduism can be compared with one of those blind-folded wise men who set about to examine an elephant by touching it and came up with totally different ideas about what the elephant looked like, none of which were factual. Hinduism is like a multifarious ocean of beliefs and modes of worship with an indeterminate origin. It comprises within itself the most sublime philosophies and gross fetishism of all kinds of objects which are worshipped."
Yes, the evolution of "Hinduism" over millennia has as, yet not reduced itself to any one path or form, rather it is a amalgamation of many threads of reformism, denial and speculation. From a loving liberalism to oppressive Dichotomy.
So is "Hinduism" actually a religion that was designed to encompass all or is that an assignation that simply accorded to it due to it's confused evolution??
If the later is true this would debunk the claim of Yoga being "Hindu"
A facet incorporated into the modern idea of Hinduism perhaps but ownership, probably not.
If the later is true this would debunk the claim of Yoga being "Hindu"
A facet incorporated into the modern idea of Hinduism perhaps but ownership, probably not.
Thanks Sama for more stuff. When I read these so called experts opinions, it always gives me the "I'm smarter than you are creeps' of intellectual ego. I can use bigger and better words; therefore I'm right." Of what purpose? This fellow reintroduces the Aryan Invasion Theory. I though that was long gone.
We need to stop reading and discussing, and get on with going within to discover reality. Call it what you will. Its kind of too bad we're stuck with this term Hinduism. Its kind of like the term `food`. Everybody`s take is so different.
We need to stop reading and discussing, and get on with going within to discover reality. Call it what you will. Its kind of too bad we're stuck with this term Hinduism. Its kind of like the term `food`. Everybody`s take is so different.
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I hear ya, EM....I've been in the yoga biz for a long time and these discussions just keep going around and around and around. I tell people, you do your yoga and I'll do mine. I no longer name or categorize my classes: it's just yoga for the people, no levels, no fancy yoga pants, just show up, shut up, and do your practice....
Yes, and I don't do yoga at all, although I should. My wife does. I just do seva and go to temple a lot. It pulls me inward. Right now its a deer fence. They love the vegetables at the temple especially. Right in the city too, where it backs on to a ravine. Quite the manual exercise, and I get stiff, especially in morning. I'm an old man. Regular yoga just seems to not fit in. Maybe because I'm just so lousy at it. Boss does it though.
My Guru taught the intellect to be a barrier. You can't discuss stuff that is beyond the intellect, like the power around Murugan temples that we've shared before.
My Guru taught the intellect to be a barrier. You can't discuss stuff that is beyond the intellect, like the power around Murugan temples that we've shared before.
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But, It's always back to the basic principle, isn't it.?
It seems mr. Chopra has forgotten the basic tenet of yoga, and a lot of religions, to strive to exist in the ever present NOW, the time when there is no past, no history, and no future or expectation.
There is this same argument with quakers.
Are they christian, because you don't actually have to believe in Christ to be a quaker, you just have to believe in non-violence.
The quakers just say, ....WHATEVER. Say what you want, do what you feel is right, we are still quakers.
They don't really agree or not agree with anything anyone says about them, they have no opinion on issues outside themselves.
It seems mr. Chopra has forgotten the basic tenet of yoga, and a lot of religions, to strive to exist in the ever present NOW, the time when there is no past, no history, and no future or expectation.
There is this same argument with quakers.
Are they christian, because you don't actually have to believe in Christ to be a quaker, you just have to believe in non-violence.
The quakers just say, ....WHATEVER. Say what you want, do what you feel is right, we are still quakers.
They don't really agree or not agree with anything anyone says about them, they have no opinion on issues outside themselves.
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