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#31 Jan 27th, 2012, 20:28
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actually i did and if the person who started the thread is really interested in spirituality i need not repeat my self
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Thanks to you too drk for bringing to me more options
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Originally Posted by rikud0 View Post It's more a sense of responsibility that motivates me regardless of whether I'll be successful or not.
Responsibility to yourself to do this retreat, or seva/service, or social work etc?

[QUOTE=rikud0;1337665] If I am being honest with myself the other things I said to you are very important but don't really apply in your case. To be honest what's preventing me from taking this opportunity is my own stuff really (as might be apparent) which is understandable perhaps if unreasonable and also when I think about it ironic considering the nature and intent of my own goal. So I'm gonna overcome it and take you up on your offer and if doesn't work, well as that guy said time is not wasted in reconnaissance. [QUOTE]

Glad to see you are talking yourself into this adventure, rather than talking yourself out of it! Everyone’s ‘own stuff’ glues them to it, very difficult to actually Be aloof from ‘stuff’ , which is why i guess, that how one perceives ‘stuff’ shackles or liberates us from all the stuff.

Of course responsibilities remain, and you may have less of them right now, being younger, unmarried and without kids – still they tend to accumulate as one goes on and i would guess that this endeavour of yours will help shape how you deal with accumulating responsibilities down the road.

[QUOTE=rikud0;1337665] To nitindara, Space is what I need, physical space to do my things 24*7. Which at the most basic level is the Great Outdoors.[QUOTE]

There is something beautiful in the forests obviously, and in walking. It clears the mind and opens the senses. Walking through nature, and listening to the movements of this beautiful earth, reveals all you could ever ask for really, but we need listen isn’t it! Empirically obvious, but if there is a question, or an answer, it is all revealed via nature!

I use the term sitting the way others might use meditation, although i personally do not meditate in any sort of traditional style, and it most often happens while walking the forested hills around the house, and not sitting.. however, this particular post happened while sitting!

In sitting/walking, there are the senses. But they are devoid of interpretation. No one is saying good or bad, right or wrong, hot or cold, or any of that judgmental stuff. If one sits and there is no interference, it is like ‘melding’, if that is the right way to put it… There are no longer ‘separate’ senses; there is only ONE sense and one has no choice in the matter. It never begins and it never ends.

Take your time in the preparations. Now that we are getting down to it - There are a couple of trips I have to make. So Feb 28th to March 2nd is probably good arrival time, or preferably after March 22nd, when I’ll be completely free and in residence until about May 17th, then away a few days after that.. let’s see.
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To Paleface,
All three. 'Responsibility' seems a good catch-all term for all that so I used it, moreover I don't want to talk too much in detailed in public about some of those things. May not be good for success.

ok then, I'll inform you before those particular times when I'm ready to move.
How about getting there?Is it from Delhi?

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Maybe - Guwahati to Lucknow, Lucknow to Haridwar.
#36 Jan 29th, 2012, 19:44
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Ok thanks. I sent you a message.
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Rikud, be sure to let us know from time to time how you're getting on (and inasmuch as it doesn't interfere with your peace & quiet Just the occasional life sign would be good.) I'm sure many would like to see you fare well in your endeavor.

Best of luck! I reckon here as with so many things, it's the getting there that counts more than the arrival.
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Ask me again next year
Just kidding!!
Internet access will distract me I think, but yeah when I'm online sure..

By the way thanks for all your advice and everyone too
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Originally Posted by rikud0 View Post Ask me again next year
Just kidding!!
Internet access will distract me I think, but yeah when I'm online sure..
Yeh, I know. Was thinking if you'll be close to PaleFace, you could give him a smiling look & a gentle nudge to drop in word on your behalf...

Good luck, again.
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Originally Posted by machadinha View Post Yeh, I know. Was thinking if you'll be close to PaleFace, you could give him a smiling look & a gentle nudge to drop in word on your behalf...

Good luck, again.
If it happens i would hope that Rikud0, actually does keep the acquaintances he has made here, informed, whatever happens. It's not that we wish to vicariously eavesdrop into his progress or tribulations, more we are genuinely supportive and interested and want to know what outcome.

So often folks gather a lot of insight here on IM and have a plan, and we unfortunately never hear what actually happened - bit of a wind-up really, a few do let us all know and it's satisfying to hear.. so i'll prod Mach! And all work and no play...

Personally i'm sure the fella will appreciate the area, and i fully understand his requirement to leave his own area far behind because of the misconstrued perceptions that his locals could jump to.

Rikud0 the interesting thing about going somewhere where no one knows your history, is that you also have the opportunity to leave all baggages behind, and start the life afresh so to speak. That actually doesn't happen for most people in their whole lives, not least because it's frightening to go somewhere with completely new co-ordinates.

When i shifted here myself, that was exactly the scenario, except chest beat.. i wasn't frightened having changed tack completely often enough previously. We might flippantly say we don't care about what others' think of us, or their perceptions of our character/behaviour and so on, but beneath the veneer most of us do care very much, so the opportunity to recharacterise oneself is an interesting moment.
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Originally Posted by machadinha View Post Yeh, I know. Was thinking if you'll be close to PaleFace, you could give him a smiling look & a gentle nudge to drop in word on your behalf...

Good luck, again.
Of course, machadinha...When I'm there I'll keep you updated on my experiences
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I had thought of giving it a try sometime back. As with most things the transition between two antithetical states requires practice. Now how to simulate such a living when subconsciously i'm comforted by the knowledge I've a roof over my head to protect myself from the elements, food to appease hunger, people around me (though i may feign oblivion to assist in so called simulation : how convenient! ) to turn to in case anything goes awry. Lots of scratching on my head and enlightenment is bestowed : nope simulation not possible. A leap of faith is required as paleface here undertook. Now need that leap be blind i thought? Well, one can certainly refrain from certain habits inimical to the desired lifestyle. Changes in food habit - repressing that strong voice inside us shouting for a cold drink after meal, the irresistible urge for the 9'0 clock TV show without which life is futile, the dark hue your face (and essentially your ego : but then who really can say what color is our ego?) assumes when you realize no one's giving a damn about you and so on so on.....

Yeah it's 90% leap of faith, but the rest 10% can be a life saver. At least it should in theory facilitate the transition. My kudos to those who are brave (or foolish : how do we measure such endeavor? Surely not through other's eyes!! How can we deny that as paleface reflects, isn't that what we are escaping from in the first place? But then again when evaluation ceases to be a concern i'd say one is at peace) enough to undertake this experiment and discover for themselves if the results are in their favor.
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Originally Posted by nillohit View Post As with most things the transition between two antithetical states requires practice.

Now how to simulate such a living when subconsciously i'm comforted by the knowledge I've a roof over my head to protect myself from the elements, food to appease hunger, people around me…

Welcome etc.. still they are just states, temporary at best.

Leap of faith in the sense that, there is no expectation of any sort of finality and subsequently come what may, something is always going to occur, rather than in faithing in a higher power or entity to bestow a pleasant outcome to any planned undertaking.

The other side of the coin regarding should/can i shift from familiar co-ordinates to unfamiliar territory might be illustrated by an american friend who has just come to stay for the week over Shivratri, actually he’s building a house next field..

and what is strange about that putting down of foundations is that this now 60 yr old guy who is truly a freelance world wandering Yogi, who has not stayed anyplace on this Earth which he has been around and around and in all the corners so many times, for longer than three weeks since 1984!! i won’t go into the why of what he does and how that has turned out this way for him, except to in contrast to our little problemo, to illustrate how difficult it is for him to stay anchored anywhere.. i mean the nautanki’s we have create about getting down the road from A to B?
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"Leap of faith in the sense that, there is no expectation of any sort of finality and subsequently come what may, something is always going to occur, rather than in faithing in a higher power or entity to bestow a pleasant outcome to any planned undertaking.
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There indeed is a necessity to believe that something is going to occur for the absence of belief will take us nowhere. Its definitely not finality as you pointed out, but uncertainty which has to be handled with equanimity. A lot of the problem arises because of our inability to accept that we cannot shape the world around us, that things seldom proceed the way we want. We either stubbornly defend it or go around it deceiving ourselves that what has taken place is exactly what we planned it to be. A definite better approach is to handle situations as they manifest.

you say "..rather than in faithing in a higher power or entity to bestow a pleasant outcome to any planned undertaking." The way i see it people sometimes need a push. They themselves provide all the hard work and impetus for their growth but attribute it to a higher entity. Isn't it a matter of semantics? I mean two people put in the same effort and achieve success. One believes its god that gave him/her the success. The other one believes it's got nothing to do with god. Both of them are responsible for their success. SO what's wrong if someone has belief in a higher entity and whatever input he gives arises from that conviction.You call it spinning of coin, someone calls it self belief, some says its god. I mean i agree with your point for i hold similar thoughts but isn't it a bit stringent to strip away this conviction from those who believe in it? Actually i came across this a long time back and it struck a chord :

Swami Vivekananda once went to the Maharaja of Alvar (a state in India) to meet him. This was the pre-independence era where the British had given powers to the Maharaja, and hence he had become a powerful king.

While talking about religion and faith, the Maharaja and his minister expressed doubts about idol worship. In short, they looked down upon it and made some cutting remarks about the same.

Addressing the minister, Swami Vivekananda said, “Take this picture of your King, the Maharaja of Alvar, and spit on it. Can you do it?”

There was pin drop silence in the room. Nobody was sure how to react.

Then Swamiji said, “Even though he is standing next to you, you have the 'emotion' that Maharaja is there in the picture, hence you cannot spit on it. Similarly, when a Hindu worships an idol, he doesn't say, 'O stone, I am worshipping you.' He has the 'emotion' that God resides in that idol.”


Yeah, actually it's very inspiring what you wrote about the 60 year old yogi. I do understand people will want to delay or avoid what they claim they desire by citing a lot of excuses. But then a little preparation does help for the ones who may not very strong willed to begin with but maybe with practice and patience have the capacity to develop the fortitude and right attitude towards it. It's the initial impetus you see. Once you've taken it, you'll have it a bit easier to make decisions. What i wanted to say is anything that helps someone in taking the initial leap. Certainly there are individuals who can make the transition right away, but then you'll find the majority are the people that had waged a war with their mind and traditional belief and gone through major stages of doubt before they had finally decided on their course. I agree its either for you or not but even then preparation is important for the sake of pragmatism (money for food) but it is when preparation becomes an excuse for protracting your journey, it becomes a major problem and hence the nautanki you refer to.


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'Now how to simulate such a living when subconsciously i'm comforted by the knowledge I've a roof over my head to protect myself from the elements, food to appease hunger, people around me…' - nillohit

still they are just states, temporary at best - paleface.
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I agree but the preparation and all i have elaborated on is rendered moot for the person who has come to the realization posted by you above for with that attitude he has prepared himself for every contingency.
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Originally Posted by nillohit View Post A lot of the problem arises because of our inability to accept that we cannot shape the world around us, that things seldom proceed the way we want. .
just exploring here, nothing personal ok - One can't do anything about earthquakes or natural phenomenon to be sure.. but one can do a lot of stuff about shaping the infinitesimal fragment of the universe that we inhabit internally, which has everything to do with the perceptions, actions and repercussions that we manifest through externally actions.

I like to know that indeed i can shape the world around me, as the world around me is entirely of my making, it's bad = i made it so, it's good = how did i do that and i need cultivate more of the same.
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