How determined are you on spiritualistic enlightenment

I have to confirm we came here to live a life, and after it depends on everybody somebody wants to be decent and somebody wants to be enlightenment and somebody wants to be just human being as he/she is with the good and bad sites.

Try a meditation instead of making new koans it could be helpful to live a slightly better life.

Speak for yourself, please, I came to this dump because I had no choice

Capt_Mahajan, sorry even you came here to live
we can complain regarding a dump but we have a choice to complain or to do something.

Yes I should switch off my computer and go from my bed.

But your idea of a better life may vary to mine, which will create conflict between us & add to the chaos/disorder of the world. Isn't this what happens? Don't we all think we are striving to be better/decent/good, but have different opinions of what this means?? KK

Come outside and say that!

(Oh, wait... you're bigger than me...)



to be a little serious, I actually believe that we all have a choice, right from the off, and that includes whether or not to "come here" and when. We can't blame a machine called karma, and we can't blame some council of old folk with robes and beards (and that's just the women) and we can't blame god... it is down to us.

But that would be an obvious problem with any "spiritual" notions, as well, wouldn't it?

We surely have a long history of religious warfare to show for it. "My enlightenment beats yours, etc."

Or as that classic someone's signature here used to say, Sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma.

Yes & no, it's definitely how all religions came about,if that's what you mean by Spiritual. But there are Spiritual philosophies that go beyond good versus bad right versus wrong.KK

Right. And so you mean this doesn't add up to your earlier just above:

You know better than that, KK. And both you and me can see it all around us; or you (one) would need to be pretty blind.

It is, to me, all the same: Us thinking we've found some "truth," that now beats someone else's "truth." And so now we have the right to beat them over the heads with it, ostracize or indeed even kill them for not sharing this "truth" of ours, etc.

Sorry you've lost me?? Can you expand on what you are trying to say?KK

That again it works just the same with any "spiritual" notions:

I'm not sure how you're not getting me; though it is a fundamental problem I have with let's say "new-age" folks. Their unwillingness often, nay, sheer incapacity, to see that they don't hold any sort of "truth"; but rather just another opinionette. And not commonly very tolerant or open-minded in the way they hold those views, either.

It doesn't always have to be. Being informed, educated and uninfluenced by religious, spiritual &/or radical folklore/beliefs are often intangibles. Also, the law of the specific land seems to get continually overlooked/misconstrued in this increasingly global village.

For example, I go hunting each fall and harvest surplus animals. This betters my life through eating organic, free range meet ... and it betters the animal species life by helping to keep a more balanced population commensurate with habitat & within conservation regulations. A healthy, legal win-win situation in my region of the world and a predatory relationship that works very, very well.

However, other regions of the world may see this as a very inauspicious, cruel habit - even though they may well be doing far more harm to wildlife populations through human overpopulation.

Now who's got the "caveman" mentality???

KK

Cavemen = omnivores? You have been brainwashed!