Affordable Ayurvedic treatment

#16 May 14th, 2011, 22:41
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Go to Kerala - very traditonal form of Ayurveda there.
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That's a myth...

Traditional Ayurveda is available at many other places in India...
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Indeed. Whilst Kerala does have a great deal of it, what you see is generally part of the tourist trade.
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Hello,
I am also looking for an ayurvedic treatment (panchakarma) with an affordable and well experienced ayurvedic Dr/hopsital in India, preferably in the north as will probably land in Delhi and one that request one single cost, regardless of Indian/non indian status.
Have been in Kerala last year and can only agree with Nick-H most of what I saw was part of the tourist trade which I am definitely not interested in.
Planned on getting admitted to one of apparently most reliable/competent ayurvedic hospital in India (Arya Vaidya Sala, Ernakulum branch), yet once in the Kochin area did not feel like being hospitalized for 3-4 weeks, and was also quite expensive for non Indian. In place went for a siddha marma treatment catered to locals which was really good, permitted a huge improvement of my chronic conditions. Unfortunately, after two months back home lost about 50 to 75% of improvement achieved yet will go for a second one as chronic ailment are difficult to address in one treatment …

A few questions:

@ Nick-H: Would be interested to hear about non touristic, good ayurvedic places/Drs in Kerala/Tamil Nadu;

@ Delhiwala: Is the Patanjali Yogpeeth (trust) near Hardiwar the same as the Patanjali Ayurvedic Hospital? If not please provide contact infos.

@ Atala: Would you still recommend Dr. Triguna’s son as an experienced ayurvedic Dr for pulse-reading and diagnosis but also to prescribe a non-contaminated ayurvedic treatment in Delhi?

Apart from “rammala”, any one else has been consulting Dr Dolkar and eventually would recommend her too?

To all,
What would be your best pick:

* Patanjali Ayurvedic Hospital, Hardiwar
* Dr Triguna, Delhi
* Dr. Dolkar, Delhi
* DIVYAJYOT AYURVEDIC RESEARCH FOUNDATION, Ahmedabad

Also, looking into seeing a vedic astrologer mainly to determine the right stone to wear as I am also interested in crystals, read in indian mike about KN Rao whom is in delhi. Anyone heard about him? Is he a reliable vedic astrologer? Any other to consult?
Delhi seems to be a good location as I also want to take yoga class, learn about reiki and more about crystals …

Hope to get some replies although last post on this topic is almost 2 years old ...
Tks
#20 Mar 25th, 2013, 01:45
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The only thing that I can add to anything I posted a couple of years back is the Sivananda Yoga Centre here in Chennai.

No hospital, but ayurvedic doctor and massage available. I took a course of massage recently, but then had to decide whether to go for Aurvedic treatment including medicines, or return to the allopath and the physiotherapist. I'm going with Western medicine at the moment. However, the people at Sivananda are serious and sincere.
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Hi Lunule,

I've been to patanjali yogpeeth and one day to the hospital. They're the same organisation but different locations. I would go to patanjali yogpeeth if you want a more easy silent stay. They have cottages and a lot of space and quietness. The hospital is very big and crowded, maybe good treatment, i don't know, but definitly a different atmosphere.

In patanjali yogpeeth there are hardly any western people (there was one other person when i was there) so it's definitly not a tourist thing. It's mainly full of Indians with quite a few that are overwheight and in patanjali yogpeeth ou get a very strict diet. For me this was a very difficult thing. A doctor decides your diet and it's very little. For instance, a glass of milk in the morning, 5 raisins and 5 nuts and as much watermelon as you wish. Which doesnt fill you up. Then for lunch 2 chapatis, a little bowl with some veggies and a watery soup and the Same for diner as for lunch. I was starving and there was no food available. No shops or whatever. And to get of the compound isnt easy if you dont have your own transport. There was a black market in mango's. Seriously! Oh and i'm not overwheight, i don't need a diet, i'm average. So to me this diet was bullshit. If i would ever go back i would secretly bring a lot of food. I understand that you offer only certain kind of healthy food, but to restrict the amount to very little portions so you're starving all the time for me is insane.

I also felt a bit lonely there. I made one friend, a nepali girl who also was there by herself, but besides her there were only indian families and quite conservative ones. I spoke a tiny word of Hindi and the woman all asked me if i was alone, if i was married, where my family was, and that was it, they raised an eyebrow and then they ignored me.

I know a good astrologer who lives in haridwar and has a shop in rishikesh with his brother who is into gems/ stones. He travels a lot around the world to, but i can give you his name and out and look him up on facebook and contact him. There's also a very good reiki master in rishikesh. A german woman, an older woman, very experienced and very good hearted. I highly recommend her.

Send me a private message if you want contact details.
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If it helps Triguna did a good diagnosis job with me, and maybe even treatment (i wasn't the only therapy and it takes a long time sto difficult to say what did what).

As you lend in Delhi and since diagnosis is free no harm going there.
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Originally Posted by lunule View Post went for a siddha marma treatment catered to locals which was really good, permitted a huge improvement of my chronic conditions. Unfortunately, after two months back home lost about 50 to 75% of improvement achieved yet will go for a second one as chronic ailment are difficult to address in one treatment …
In your situation I would go back to get that very same treatment, if it helped you so much. Also learn which marmas were treated and treat them yourself if possible, later.



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Originally Posted by lunule View Post @ Atala: Would you still recommend Dr. Triguna’s son as an experienced ayurvedic Dr for pulse-reading and diagnosis but also to prescribe a non-contaminated ayurvedic treatment in Delhi?
He is good, but only if you live in Delhi area and are able to see him every 3 weeks for about half a year or more.

Non contaminated medicine? Most Ayurvedic herbs are somehow contaminated.

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any one else has been consulting Dr Dolkar and eventually would recommend her too?
You get the best herbs from Mrs Dolkar. She collects them herself in Himachal Pradesh. I also recommend her for another reason. She has a way of sending herbs abroad, does it regularly, while all others mentioned don't care at all. Herbs with her come to about Rs 1000-1400 per month, depending on the condition.

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I have written about that institution, before I actually visited it. The lady in charge there plus the many folks around her got dollar signs in her eyes the moment she saw two foreigners entering her huge premises. Too bad, it sounded too good on the website.

My avice: Forget about pancha-karma; it's just a modern money-making vehicle. Instead, while in South India go for a good Nature Cure clinic. I have heard of one near Kottayam. It is a Catholic institution, which means there is not some freakish Ayurvedic doctor at work, but a catholic nun who believes in something else than just money.

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They are as reliable as you want them to be. In India it is not about crystals though, but about Navaratna. How much are you willing to pay, suppose you need a diamond? Or worse a ruby? Even a good sapphire can cost you a fortune.


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I know a good astrologer who lives in haridwar and has a shop in rishikesh with his brother who is into gems/ stones.

That sounds like the perfect set-up for a good business deal for the two, while the customer is taken for a ride. Fame is not necessarily an indication of reliability.
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I think you sure can visit dr dolkar. I know her well and am myself taking medicines from her. I also know many who have benefited. You can visit talk gat diagnosed and decide whaT you want to do.
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Thank you all for your replies.

Since starting my trip north, I will consult both recommended ayurvedic doctors in Delhi, Dr. Triguna/Dr. Dolkar to get a serious diagnosis + good quality herbs while there if prescribed with shipping option sounds even better.

@ Attala: You are right just as my main focus is to get good ayurvedic diagnosis & treatment and not so much panchakarma.
Would you have the name of that nature cure clinic near Kottayam? Is it the Bishop Kurialacherry Nature Cure & Yoga Centre?
Upon a friend recommendation I actually went to check the natural life international in Ernakulum, the approach seems good but the location is in a very noisy area (was already going thru severe insomnia) + could have been a bite cleanier, and so did not stay there.
Will definitely finish my trip south and go for the same siddha marma treatment, it was more like a global very vigourous massage and so I believe all marmas were adressed ... But will inquire about it.

As far as the vedic astrologer, I am not considering getting any precious stone and so will see along the journey.

But still looking for reputable reiki master in Delhi, Rishikesh or Dharamsala, as I am hoping to also benefit from some self-healing techniques ...
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Originally Posted by lunule View Post Since starting my trip north, I will consult both recommended ayurvedic doctors in Delhi, Dr. Triguna/
you will actually not get a serious diagnosis by Dr Triguna's son, you will just get a pulse reading that lasts perhaps half a minute plus a prescription of various things to take (normally summing up to around Rs 1500 p month). If you ask for a little more specific information you get confirmation about the state of your disease, but I would not call that a serious diagnosis. You actually start out with what your complaints are which are mostly a hidden or explicit diagnosis already. The positive side, or say a possibly helpful aspect of the 2-3 minute consultation is that you get an opinion on the graveness of a condition and its possible curability.

The problem afterwards is that you have to decide then and there whether you want to take all the stuff that you got prescribed, part of the problem being that you don't know what it really is before you have actually gotten it into your hands after you have gone thru the pharmacy procedure outside in the waiting hall.

If you don't intend to come back for a further pulse reading plus prescription, taking those meds for just a month or two is perhaps not meaningful, hard to say. A lot of what is prescribed at Dr Triguna's is conventional stuff produced by other companies; sometimes it also involves Aristas (fermented liquids) hard or actually impossible to travel with, as all bottles leak in India once they are opened.

But you say you just want to hear what Triguna's son has to say (Goran, did you get the son's name? I think it is *something-Lal*). I am just giving here this description of the procedure there so that you know what awaits you in terms of decision-making, in case you want to go that far.

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The procedure with Dr Dolkar is more straightforward, since she is a modern woman with good English, someone you can also talk to on the phone (beforehand or later on after consulting) or exchange e-mails with; but she seems to rely more on the diagnosis of others, in other words you present her with the facts; probably she will ask you for your latest blood-tests (also depending on your particular condition), and in case of tumours asks for MRI or C-scans.

To see the evidence of the right choice of herbs she also asks for follow-up tests to see whether parameters have changed, markers de- or increased or whatever. So she is more working with established processes of diagnosis and monitoring of physical states. (She is treating a large number of cases of people with cancer outisde India, specifically Europe, and where it is legal to mail herbs to.)
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acording to wiki it is Devendra Triguna

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brihaspati_Dev_Triguna
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That sounds like the perfect set-up for a good business deal for the two, while the customer is taken for a ride. Fame is not necessarily an indication of reliability.
True, but i don't think it is a set up. He's not expensive, he didnt direct me to his brother (never bought a stone) and he's been to my home in my own country. All i can say is that I trust him. And sure, everything that's not scientificially proved can be unreliable. So that's for every astrologer, reiki master and natural healer.
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I have had very good results with Navaratna, but I had to go thru a number of wrong judgements by astrologers, buy a number of expensive (to me at the time anyhow) stones, among them a rare yellow sapphire, until I got the right advice. My last astrologer (passed away) had said that if you get the right stone you will get a clear, dramatic re-direction within one month's time of starting to wear it, and that actually happened to me.

Might also be just a coincidence, I don't know, but it was very significant.

I don't know how much Vedic astrologers cost today. I consulted maybe a dozen over the decades, until I came to the just described experience. After that I stopped using them about 20 years ago. What they said about my life was generally useless to me. I find Western astrology much more helpful, leading to insights about oneself and facilitating changes, for the understanding of other people's characteristics and interactive dynamics.
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Originally Posted by atala View Post I have had very good results with Navaratna, but I had to go thru a number of wrong judgements by astrologers, buy a number of expensive (to me at the time anyhow) stones, among them a rare yellow sapphire, until I got the right advice. My last astrologer (passed away) had said that if you get the right stone you will get a clear, dramatic re-direction within one month's time of starting to wear it, and that actually happened to me.
Wow ! you actually have faith in these sauces ?

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