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Forum: Chai and Chat Today, 19:47
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Very different cases, although as Prince notes...

Very different cases, although as Prince notes above, they were inherently linked:



For most of the 19th century, this meant ensuring the survival of the Ottoman Empire in order to maintain a...
Forum: Chai and Chat Today, 16:10
Replies: 91
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Posted By Shiver me Timbers
BBC's Shashi Tharoor viewpoint

Aside from obviously divisive acts such as the partition of Bengal, the whole method of British administration served to harden and politicize identities in harmful ways. Very much men of the...
Forum: Chai and Chat Today, 02:13
Replies: 91
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Posted By Shiver me Timbers
BBC's Shashi Tharoor viewpoint

Absolutely, I agree with every word you've written (thank god!). Now I have to go watch True Detective!
Forum: Chai and Chat Today, 01:35
Replies: 91
Views: 2,409
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
Sorry I've only seen this now. I think I've...

Sorry I've only seen this now. I think I've hinted at the roots of the genuine appeal the idea may have had above. The seeds existed before the Muslim League. The collapse of Mughal authority was a...
Forum: Chai and Chat Today, 00:11
Replies: 91
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Posted By Shiver me Timbers
BBC's Shashi Tharoor viewpoint

Sorry I can see I wasn't clear there - I was speaking more generally of those factors which, in the eyes of the elites of the Muslim League, served to unite Indian Muslims as against the wider...
Forum: Chai and Chat Yesterday, 23:40
Replies: 91
Views: 2,409
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
All forms of nationalism claim to encompass...

All forms of nationalism claim to encompass pre-modern identities. Some are so obviously invented as to be hilarious - see e.g. Ataturk's adoption of a Hittite identity for Turkey, or modern-day...
Forum: Chai and Chat Yesterday, 21:40
Replies: 91
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Posted By Shiver me Timbers
That is not my point at all, looking back through...

That is not my point at all, looking back through my own posts I'm struggling to see where you might have got that idea - it feels like an assumption you've attached to my arguments rather than...
Forum: Chai and Chat Yesterday, 19:04
Replies: 91
Views: 2,409
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
I've read this four times, since it was in...

I've read this four times, since it was in response to two of my posts. Is there any chance you might indicate in what sense what you've written here relates to those two posts, directly? I'm really...
Forum: Chai and Chat Yesterday, 18:29
Replies: 91
Views: 2,409
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
Ah the never-ending battle for victim status....

Ah the never-ending battle for victim status. Reminds me of this classic Sopranos episode:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbbMIg-Aw8E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbuNOzrxLqw
...
Forum: Chai and Chat Yesterday, 18:26
Replies: 91
Views: 2,409
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
So much to respond to above, but since the main...

So much to respond to above, but since the main beef with what I wrote about nationalism seems to boil down to this kind of sentiment, I'll start with this (though you can take it as a response to...
Forum: Chai and Chat Jul 31st, 2015, 22:45
Replies: 91
Views: 2,409
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
:confused: Did you misread me Captain? My...

:confused: Did you misread me Captain?

My point was that the present British/French etc. states don't actively prevent honest investigations into these things, as the Turks do - that for me is...
Forum: Chai and Chat Jul 31st, 2015, 22:12
Replies: 91
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Posted By Shiver me Timbers
Nationalism implies a lot more than a group of...

Nationalism implies a lot more than a group of people being united in a particular defined landmass, it is (in theory) about civic participation in the running of a state, and subsequently the common...
Forum: Chai and Chat Jul 31st, 2015, 21:23
Replies: 91
Views: 2,409
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
Those were pre-modern dynasties though....

Those were pre-modern dynasties though. Nationalism is a modern phenomenon only traceable back a few centuries even in Western Europe where it originated. Its spread throughout the rest of the world...
Forum: Chai and Chat Jul 31st, 2015, 15:38
Replies: 91
Views: 2,409
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
Yeah, I agree entirely. Denial is probably the...

Yeah, I agree entirely. Denial is probably the wrong word, perhaps 'dismissal' amongst a certain demographic of particular political leanings combined with, if what Dalrymple says about the teaching...
Forum: Chai and Chat Jul 31st, 2015, 14:25
Replies: 91
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Posted By Shiver me Timbers
I don't know about Japan, but the problem with...

I don't know about Japan, but the problem with Turkey, for me anyway, is slightly different, the problem being not that the state won't acknowledge what happened to the Ottoman Armenian and other...
Forum: Chai and Chat Jul 31st, 2015, 03:57
Replies: 91
Views: 2,409
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
Whatever your views on multiculturalism, it...

Whatever your views on multiculturalism, it hasn't been forced on Britain down the barrel of a gun. If anything it has been economically beneficial.



To this day Germany is paying reparations...
Forum: Chai and Chat Jul 30th, 2015, 22:07
Replies: 91
Views: 2,409
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
On your first point, my mistake [Blush] On...

On your first point, my mistake [Blush]

On your second point, I can certainly see the utility in fomenting national pride in a world order consisting of nation-states, or in expressing recognition...
Forum: Chai and Chat Jul 30th, 2015, 21:24
Replies: 91
Views: 2,409
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
In pre-modern centralized empires wealth would...

In pre-modern centralized empires wealth would generally flow to the centre. In that respect, what the British were doing was in theory no more immoral than what countless predecessors had been doing...
Forum: Worldwide Travel Photologues Jul 22nd, 2015, 15:30
Replies: 321
Views: 33,375
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
Some pics of the Theodosian Walls of Istanbul: ...

Some pics of the Theodosian Walls of Istanbul:

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3799/19776465502_31eaa92a3c_c.jpg" width="800" height="330" alt="Theodosian Walls, Istanbul
...
Forum: Chai and Chat Jul 22nd, 2015, 15:25
Replies: 15
Views: 703
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
One of the original IMers who helped build the...

One of the original IMers who helped build the place up to what it has become. Always loved hearing about her overland trips in the 70s.
Forum: Books, Music, and Movies Jul 18th, 2015, 02:05
Replies: 3,532
Views: 270,380
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
A Tribe Called Quest - Verses From The Abstract ...

A Tribe Called Quest - Verses From The Abstract

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8iGF3M4IHc
Forum: Chai and Chat Jul 12th, 2015, 19:23
Replies: 109
Views: 3,873
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
'Europe' doesn't exist, it's an idea constructed...

'Europe' doesn't exist, it's an idea constructed first in order to define Christendom against the rest of the world and then in the secular age to define the 'civilised' against the rest. Now that...
Forum: Chai and Chat Jul 11th, 2015, 23:21
Replies: 3,172
Views: 167,838
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
Absolutely - I expect to find some good material...

Absolutely - I expect to find some good material at the Lucknow (UP state) archives, especially since I'll be looking into Deoband and Aligarh quite a bit.



Yeah I don't know much about this,...
Forum: Chai and Chat Jul 11th, 2015, 16:14
Replies: 3,172
Views: 167,838
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
Thanks guys! Yeah, without getting...

Thanks guys!



Yeah, without getting into too much detail, I'll be researching a topic related to Indian Muslim-Arab relations during the Raj. I expect to be spending a bit of time at the...
Forum: Chai and Chat Jul 10th, 2015, 23:41
Replies: 3,172
Views: 167,838
Posted By Shiver me Timbers
Just won a four-year scholarship to do my PHD...

Just won a four-year scholarship to do my PHD studies at St. Antony's College at Oxford University, starting in October. Couldn't be happier right now!
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