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Old Jun 29th, 2007, 23:16   #16
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I almost never accept food or drinks from strangers while travelling. I pretend to have a bad stomach or feign some other illness and politely refuse.
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Old Jun 29th, 2007, 23:49   #17
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I'm too fussy an eater: more often than not, accepting food from a stranger will lead to my embarrassment at not being able to eat, or, at least, finish it. Given an organ relocation scheme, my stomach would still choose London!

However, on one of my first solo train trips, which I had not planned properly foodwise, and was not quick enough to understand the guy taking orders for food in the train --- I was very grateful to the two business men who each gave a little of their egg biryani . I should have gone hungry, otherwise.

My wife's advice. No... My wife's instruction's to me (one Indian point of view) is never to accept food from strangers anywhere.

I got told off when I admitted to accepting a samosa from a stranger at the Road Traffic Office! And my stomach proved her right, though it only took half a day to get over.
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Old Aug 27th, 2007, 18:51   #18
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WHAT AN INDIAN THINKS - this is basic stuff. it's like abroad you tell your kids never to talk to a strangers, we have been told since i can remember not to accept food from strangers, especially on trains, and even more so in BIHAR!!! that place is like almost completely lawless. please, have some sense, never ever do this. it's just plain stupid!!!
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Old Aug 27th, 2007, 20:38   #19
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"have you noticed the 'whats yours is mine' (& vice versa) attitude of Indians?" this is not only true when traveling on trains but in any mass transit situation. I was traveling from Hyderabad to Bangalore sitting in the 'middle' seat on an Air Deccan flight and was surprised when an older woman picked the book that I had on my lap and started to read it...I was a little surprised as I had been told to expect this kind of behavior with magazines and newspapers but with a book? she put it back after 10min, apparently she didn't appreciate Brigit Jone's Diary

I generally always decline any type of food or chai offered to me, I have tried a few different excuses, one of them being that I am fasting - but found that doesn't always work as most indians that I have met consider tiffen, snacks, chai OK to have while fasting Now I always go with "I am really not feeling well, my stomach is very upset" and then I will make a feeling sick type face and rub my stomach....but sometimes that doesn't even work...then I just stand strong, express my apologies and say no thank you...
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Old Aug 27th, 2007, 20:46   #20
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Always go with your gut feeling and like others have said i always use the foreigner with the bad stomach routine and if they insist, i make gestures that i will puke on them
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Old Aug 27th, 2007, 20:54   #21
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this a really scary story - with a 'happy ending' since nothing untoward happened (apart from the after-effects of the drugging of course). hats off, rachael, you possess an amazing attitude! hope your future travels in india are free from such events.

on a lighter note, we were once travelling from bombay to bangalore air-con first class (i think it was first class, there were just me, my partner and my mother and one other man in the compartment/coupe). early on, the man helped himself to my partner's magazine (without asking) but this did not cause a problem - my partner said nothing. he decided to light up a cigarette (don't ask - there's no knowing what he will do next or where!) and the man (quite rightly, imho) pointed out it was a non-smoking compartment. so my partner put the offending cigarette out and a second later, snatched his magazine out of the bewildered man's hands, 'i'll have my magazine back in that case' or words to that efect! the man felt so uncomfortable as a result, he got the ticket collector to allocate him a seat in a separate compartment!
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Old Aug 27th, 2007, 20:55   #22
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generally speaking, Yes, you should not accept anything edible from strangers, not only India, but anywhere..

But one should use his/her gut feeling, where ever the person can. Food is the way the love is expressed across the entire civilized world...and more so in India...here it is considered rude/bad manners if you eat without sharing with people around you..

But this doesn't mean that one should accept food from strangers, but just don't put a blanket ban and people like me, who are actually happy go lucky should take a few chances..
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Old Aug 27th, 2007, 20:57   #23
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yeah, the what's urs is mine attitude does exist, especially when it comes to reading material. but mostly people just ask. newspapers in trains can change hands some 20 times quite easily. as for the tea, or food, just say NO, but be nice
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Old Aug 27th, 2007, 21:04   #24
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These sort of incidents happen all around.

The drug used is Ketamine (This is a horse tranquilizer)
A very common drug used in India and Europe to spike drinks.

Most common affects are rape or robbery.

In India, it is rude to refuse food when given from a "friend" (whom you have just met a few hours ago..

Normally, I refuse politely and if they insist, I just tell them that I am paranoid about the incidents I have heard about such incidents happening in India. They somehow understand..

Some of them offer sealed food!!! I then talk about how good quality booze is bottled at home.... anyone who is sitting there would agree with me..

The only option I leave for them to hold me down and then tie me up..
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Old Jan 25th, 2008, 06:45   #25
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"be alert but not alarmed" as the orwellian fear campaign by the former Pm of Australia put it.
never accept victuals from people while in transit in India .
"ji nehin shukriar pet kharab hai..."
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Old Jan 25th, 2008, 07:29   #26
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This is interesting.. Did anyone talk to the old man and ask him what he put in the Tea? Maost stall owners will not collude with the criminal types as they need permits to operate in the station. They will lose their permits if caught. But then this happenned in Bihar..
It was probably Datura he put in the tea, a friend of mine who is from Varanasi had that done to him by his in-laws once in Patna! I was going to go to Bihar last year to meet an instrument maker but couldn't get anyone to go with me!
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atropine is the major agent in Datura and causes excitability ,restlessness ,confusion,dry mouth , inability to focus the eyes and if in large enough doses true hallucinations,not illusions based on altered perceptions.lassitude sets in later.
I would love to visit Sarasam and see Sher Shah's tomb but only with a car . a driver and guard using Benares as a base. I usually fly over Bihar, which is pity because as a history buff it has much to see.
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Old Mar 17th, 2008, 14:18   #28
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I have traveled extensively in Bihar. I worked in Jamshedpur for about a year. I used to take the Bokaro steel city express from Salem, Tamil Nadu to Bihar. Probably the worst train ride from comfort POV. It takes 2 full days (50 hrs) and the damned thing does not have a pantry coach.

Still, I usually have a good time...I pack books to read and talk to people...sometimes you meet the most interesting people on the train.

I must have done this traveling half a dozen times and a lot of bus travel inside Bihar too...never had any problems. But then, I don't carry money with me...no jewelry and I could fit in with any crowd without sticking out. I picked up a little Bhojpuri too.

The only 'incident' I had was a customs informer type suspecting me as a Bangladeshi (we were coming back from Nepal...me and me friends were talking in Tamil) and took us to the customs office. Well, we knew the officer there..he was a relative of a friend of ours..so the informer guy ended up getting an earful from him.

Then there is this demanding money during Puja times. These local rowdies will put up a checkpost and collect "donation" money from people in the buses passing by. The trick is to keep loose change in shirt pocket..so you don't have to take out your wallet and not getting intimidated by the loud demanding voice.

I quickly learned that I can shout louder than him and he usually slips away...
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Old May 8th, 2008, 09:30   #29
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This is not meant to cause alarm about druggings. Rather, I would like to suggest caution to those who might be planning to travel to Sasaram in Bihar.

Main points:
1) I was drugged along with my sister and a male Nepali friend, through chai given to us from a tea stall on a platform at the train station in Sasaram, Bihar.
2) It happened late last year (so hope the delay in posting hasn't led to any other mishaps there).
3) I felt the effects very quickly after only a couple of sips - and the effect was strong. Although the onset was slower for the other two, we all felt very wired and restless - which was then compounded by fear of what might happen next - knowing that things might progress quickly and badly.
5) A big group of men were gathered around. When my friend left to tip out his drink, some of them started closing in saying "one kiss".
6) We all quickly made our way to the stationmaster's office, where we continued to feel anxious (one person was slightly hallucinating). Men from the 'gathering' kept peeping in to look on us. We stayed there until our delayed train came.
7) After about three or so hours the drug wore off.
8) The whole experience was very frightening.

Luckily, there was no terrible consequence at the time. Unfortunately, there was some lingering paranoia and anxiety when I consumed food and drinks in future, especially when I was travelling alone.

I've got no idea what drug was used. I am suprised by its effects and its use in a drugging - as we definitely didn't feel sleeply (although my friend felt sleepy after an hour or so). I'm not sure if the effect would have been different if we'd drank the whole cup of tea.

I'm not sure what the intention of the druggers were. At the time, I wasn't worried about losing our gear, although this might have been the plan. I was concerned about rape or worse.

The station master was quite unconcerned about the whole thing. He said we hadn't been drugged and first suggested a waiting room (where anyone could enter). I was assertive and in the end, he let us stay in a room attached to his office. I doubt police would have taken the event seriously. It took some time to get the train station police in Varanasi to take it seriously when we returned their a few days later.

Although the tea came from a stall on the station, it was offered to us and paid for by a 'soldier on leave from duties at the Pakistan-India border'. Tut, tut, bad case of judgement on my part. I had originally refused the offer of tea three times but the embarrassment of refusing 'hospitality' got awkward especially with a group of people around, and we succumbed to pressure, cautiously I might add. I watched the old man make the tea and pour it from the teapot. We took little sips. But... I made this decision in Bihar, a place that is notorious for such crimes...

The whole thing was rather grounding and humiliating. I had a lot of travel experience, on and off the beaten track, and judgement that had kept me in good stead in all sorts of situations.

And it is a shame because although it is important to be cautious, many of us have travelled in numerous places (e.g., Pakistan, Iran, India) enjoying and appreciating wonderful hospitality without any harm. It's a fine balance to keep safe and enjoy wonderful experiences that fear and caution obstruct. And it gets embarrassing turning down hospitality in genuine situations because of some risk. But then being drugged isn't any fun.

Other than being drugged, I found Sasaram to be a very interesting place. It attracts few tourists and so the people are friendly, kind, and curious. Most well know for its attractive mausoleums, it is also interesting in that it is a town in Bihar (population around 100 000), a state that faces many difficulties, including poverty - and a state that has an interesting history. Pungent charcoal smoke drifts in every direction as stalls cook breakfast or tea early on a white misty morning. It has incredibly cheap food with honest vendors, e.g., 3 breakfasts for a total of 8 rupees(!) - the excess money I gave was returned without hesitation.

Take care there though (and at other train stations and bus stands). There is a dishonest tea vendor and/or a network of people using the tea vendor. A newspaper reported several violent crimes that occurred whilst we were there. And a month or so later, there was a newspaper article about almost 50 skulls being found near a bridge by one of the mausoleums (probably quite unconnected to drugging travellers though).

Finally, to put the whole thing in perspective, it was the only 'bad' experience I've had during all my travels. Travelling is a wonderful experience...
Cheers Rachel,
I will not drink that s$$t!!!!!!!!!
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Rachael,

Good advice to people. And, I don't think you would scare people off but rather raise their awareness.

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I had originally refused the offer of tea three times but the embarrassment of refusing 'hospitality' got awkward especially with a group of people around, and we succumbed to pressure, cautiously I might add. I watched the old man make the tea and pour it from the teapot. We took little sips. But... I made this decision in Bihar, a place that is notorious for such crimes...
For me, if someone is pushing me (after 3 refusals) and I don't know them, I would be having alarm bells ringing.

I use a standby method - if I don't know the person (personally) I would rather cause unintentional (and minor) offence at refusing some offer of "hospitality" rather than become another statistic.

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