The new scourge of India? (A rant!)

machadinha · Dec 26th, 2007, 11:06

Well, yes, discontentment will create dissent. It's almost a physical law. Too bad policymakers need to reinvent it every other decade.

You can dangle a carrot in front of someone's nose only for so long.

shashank.aggarwal · Dec 26th, 2007, 11:09

Can you please suggest where such large scale economic reforms have been tried before ? where do we have an example of them not working ?

machadinha · Dec 26th, 2007, 11:17

Shashank, other readers will consider this off-topic. Others will note that the author is a renowned radical leftwing no-good. In any case, if it's available where you are, try reading Eduardo Galeano's The Open Veins of Latin America, and perhaps some of his other works.

He painfully dissects the effects of Western economic attitudes on his continent from the days of the first invaders in the 1500s, and it won't make you smile (in fact I could never finish it because of this -- it is profoundly depressing), but it offers good insights on the workings of (proto-) capitalism.

capt_mahajan · Dec 26th, 2007, 11:19

-crossposted-

For starters, read my earlier post about rising disparity figures in the US

"Economic reforms" is a nice phrase, and it can mean whatever you want it to mean.

But our planners are betting on the trickle down theory. Google and take your pick as to its lack of success worldwide, including in the US.

That is why they are not calling in the trickle down theory here. They are calling it 'inclusive growth'... which you will hear more of, because election year may well be a week or so away

machadinha · Dec 26th, 2007, 11:40

Inclusive growth! Hey, that's a nice piece of management lingo!

btw Going widely off-topic as we are now anyway (hey, it beats discussing baseball caps), I was reminded here of The Yes Men. Funny gang, check them out.

shashank.aggarwal · Dec 26th, 2007, 11:41

OT but captain WLL/CDMA is a failure across the globe, but it worked here..

Dilliwala · Dec 26th, 2007, 19:55

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It should be possible to trade with USA and other countries.

Whether it is possible to trade without domination, and eventual extraction of the life blood --- well, I have my doubts.

Then we will have to learn the trick of trade (excuse the bad pun) - to use it to our benefit, without screwing ourselves. It is always possible to trade without being dominated. The Americans are governed by self-interest, so shud we.
Now if we (Indians) cud only agree what our self-interest is....

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...were over time quite capable of making the country practically self-sufficient, statistically speaking at least, in terms of agricultural and industrial and economic etc. output.

Point to ponder - farmer suicides were very few before the days of liberalisation, compared to now.
A very-well written sermon, if I may say so.

But it does negate the complete outsider bit. Make that an incomplete outsider.

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Can you please suggest where such large scale economic reforms have been tried before ? where do we have an example of them not working ?

India is a good example. Exclusive growth, taking a cue from Cap'n, is what we have right now.

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"Economic reforms" is a nice phrase, and it can mean whatever you want it to mean.

Along with that other 'killer' - "development"! U can win an election with that word nowadays.

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...WLL/CDMA is a failure across the globe, but it worked here..

Most of the U.S. was or is on UDMA or CDMA - well, non-GSM.

capt_mahajan · Dec 26th, 2007, 20:02

You know, I often, (to some people's annoyance

) bring this stuff up.

Part of the reason is fear.

When will rising disparity result in unrest which shakes up our middle class cocoons?
It takes only 10000 or so aggressive protestors to paralyse a city.

Watch this space.

Nick-H · Dec 26th, 2007, 22:03

I thought people were talking mobile phone protocols, for a minute, then I realised it must be some sort of economic dogma I hadn't heard of, so I kept quiet.

Now I realise you were talking about phones!

shashank.aggarwal · Dec 27th, 2007, 01:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick-H

I thought people were talking mobile phone protocols, for a minute, then I realised it must be some sort of economic dogma I hadn't heard of, so I kept quiet.

Now I realise you were talking about phones!

oh...I mentioned WLL/CDMA and said it was OT..

Well actually this thread was about phones itself..

Nick-H · Dec 27th, 2007, 01:14

Gosh... so it was!

Hey, at least you stuck to abreviations. I'm glad you didn't throw in any acronyms there!

brownboy66 · Dec 27th, 2007, 01:30

aarrrggghhhh.....

shashank.aggarwal · Dec 27th, 2007, 01:32

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Originally Posted by brownboy66

aarrrggghhhh.....

Now here comes the Geeky one !!

now get all the protocols, codecs, abbreviations, acronyms, synonyms, gyms etc...

Nick-H · Dec 27th, 2007, 01:42

Just nobody mention Copper nanotubes, ok?

brownboy66 · Dec 27th, 2007, 02:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by shashank.aggarwal

Now here comes the Geeky one !! now get all the protocols, codecs, abbreviations, acronyms, synonyms, gyms etc...

hey! now don't you start - I get enough of that from Dilli!

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Originally Posted by Dilliwala

Let me also put out that not wanting India to become America does not require rejecting everything American. In any case, there's more to America, and India, than the latest ring-tones.

nicely put Dilli

Interesting thread this one has turned into by the way.

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Originally Posted by sashank.aggarwal

OT but captain WLL/CDMA is a failure across the globe, but it worked here..

Actually in NZ CDMA was an outstanding success (although the incumbent telco wanted to go GSM originally - the govt pushed it towards CDMA). Steadily lost ground to GSM in the voice stakes (now has slighly less than 50% of the market) but absolutely dominated the data market (mobile internet connections - had about 85% of the market). NZ is now going totally GSM for one reason - roaming.

Anyway - enough of that - the normal people will be unconscious by now...

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Originally Posted by Nick_H

Just nobody mention Copper nanotubes, ok?

oh you just had to go there didn't you....(what am I saying - no responses to that one please)!

Dec 26th, 2007, 11:06	#61
machadinha Not Your Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 11,153	Well, yes, discontentment will create dissent. It's almost a physical law. Too bad policymakers need to reinvent it every other decade. You can dangle a carrot in front of someone's nose only for so long. __________________ Reading tips, all picked up at IndiaMike : INDAX's A Comprehensive Guide To India / Dinoj Surendran's Desi Humor / ITHVC on Culture Shock & Travel Health / JetLag Travel Guides For the Undiscerning Traveller / India Travel Links

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Dec 26th, 2007, 11:17	#63
machadinha Not Your Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 11,153	Shashank, other readers will consider this off-topic. Others will note that the author is a renowned radical leftwing no-good. In any case, if it's available where you are, try reading Eduardo Galeano's The Open Veins of Latin America, and perhaps some of his other works. He painfully dissects the effects of Western economic attitudes on his continent from the days of the first invaders in the 1500s, and it won't make you smile (in fact I could never finish it because of this -- it is profoundly depressing), but it offers good insights on the workings of (proto-) capitalism.

Dec 26th, 2007, 11:19	#64
capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 10,597	-crossposted- For starters, read my earlier post about rising disparity figures in the US "Economic reforms" is a nice phrase, and it can mean whatever you want it to mean. But our planners are betting on the trickle down theory. Google and take your pick as to its lack of success worldwide, including in the US. That is why they are not calling in the trickle down theory here. They are calling it 'inclusive growth'... which you will hear more of, because election year may well be a week or so away

Dec 26th, 2007, 11:40	#65
machadinha Not Your Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 11,153	Inclusive growth! Hey, that's a nice piece of management lingo! btw Going widely off-topic as we are now anyway (hey, it beats discussing baseball caps), I was reminded here of The Yes Men. Funny gang, check them out.

Dec 26th, 2007, 11:41	#66
shashank.aggarwal Mr. Badboy :D Join Date: May 2007 Location: ~ Dilli ~ Posts: 5,788	OT but captain WLL/CDMA is a failure across the globe, but it worked here..

Dec 26th, 2007, 20:02	#68
capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 10,597	You know, I often, (to some people's annoyance ) bring this stuff up. Part of the reason is fear. When will rising disparity result in unrest which shakes up our middle class cocoons? It takes only 10000 or so aggressive protestors to paralyse a city. Watch this space.

Dec 27th, 2007, 01:14	#71
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,792	Gosh... so it was! Hey, at least you stuck to abreviations. I'm glad you didn't throw in any acronyms there!

Dec 27th, 2007, 01:30	#72
brownboy66 Chicken 65 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,290	aarrrggghhhh.....

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Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,792	Just nobody mention Copper nanotubes, ok?

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