The new scourge of India? (A rant!)

Nick-H · Dec 25th, 2007, 01:17

Only 3%.

Thanks, that makes me feel better

vdvoort · Dec 25th, 2007, 03:41

OMG, some of you start to sound like your own parents (never thought you would, did you ;-)?). 'Your hair's too long, your skirts too short, you're lazy, study!, smoking hash??'; you'd come to no good, remember? And now look at you....
One time at a Punk concert a boy with this Mohawk haircut, looking more 'dangerous' than those Indian sunglass-and-baseball cap-wearing-mobile addicted-'gangsta' boys, dancing wildly, accidentally stepped on my foot; he turned to me, saying: I'm so, so sorry, did I hurt you?

Times are changing, and not only for the worse.
Relax and lighten up, there's still hope....

Enjoy!

PeakXV · Dec 25th, 2007, 08:36

Geez - couldn't live without a baseball cap when travelling India - didn't know there was so many anti-views over a headware that is an extremely effective tool in shading the head, nose & eyes in hot climates ..... certainly an improvement (and alot less scary looking

) over the old Raj pith helmut and much more enconomical than a Tilly Endurable - for sure.

machadinha · Dec 25th, 2007, 08:43

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Originally Posted by vdvoort

One time at a Punk concert a boy with this Mohawk haircut, looking more 'dangerous' than those Indian sunglass-and-baseball cap-wearing-mobile addicted-'gangsta' boys, dancing wildly, accidentally stepped on my foot; he turned to me, saying: I'm so, so sorry, did I hurt you?

Oh, I'm so sorry, was that you?

shashank.aggarwal · Dec 25th, 2007, 10:25

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Originally Posted by Nick-H

Even here you can find young Indians who seem to want, as the Capt. puts it, India to become America.

Or this is the way people have started to see it !! If growth means America then let it be !! People want us to shut everything down and sit and think about ways to give wealth to poor, whereas they themselves know that only solution is good governance and there is nothing that they can suggest to change that..

You cannot sit down and stop everything, just because of the fear becoming America !!

Nick-H · Dec 25th, 2007, 11:02

Good governance would be nice: both for India and America!

shashank.aggarwal · Dec 25th, 2007, 11:19

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Originally Posted by Nick-H

Good governance would be nice: both for India and America!

But what a common man could do except for going out and voting to the party he/she things is doing good ! One can only work hard in his/her respective field and contribute to countries progress, rather that sitting around and cribbing about the same issues over and over again !!

Things are much more complicated than our eyes can ever see.

Nick-H · Dec 25th, 2007, 11:35

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But what a common man could do except for going out and voting to the party he/she things is doing good !

He might very well go out and vote for the party that has lined his pocket. He might also very well go out and vote for the party that will beat him up if he doesn't, or even find that his ballot paper has already been stuffed into a box.

He may also have a very limited and personal idea of what defines 'doing good', and he may well lack the education and awareness to make an informed decision anyway.

shashank.aggarwal · Dec 25th, 2007, 11:44

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Originally Posted by Nick-H

He might very well go out and vote for the party that has lined his pocket. He might also very well go out and vote for the party that will beat him up if he doesn't, or even find that his ballot paper has already been stuffed into a box.

There are parties and then there are parties...the threat is from different parties, the booze comes from all of them and pockets also gets lined by by more than one..so how does a common man vote ?

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Originally Posted by Nick-H

He may also have a very limited and personal idea of what defines 'doing good', and he may well lack the education and awareness to make an informed decision anyway.

Yes, you are right on this one..

Give a solution Nick !! propose something that is feasible for good governance..

Secondly don't you feel that majority of people have a notion that politicians, all big business, all big countries (America?) are all corrupt in some sense or other..!!

Nick-H · Dec 25th, 2007, 13:08

Got to run out, christmas family stuff... just briefly...

I'm sure I don't have any answers; I'm sure if any of us could have saved the world, we would have done by now!!

dzibead · Dec 25th, 2007, 13:12

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Originally Posted by Nick-H

Got to run out, christmas family stuff... just briefly...

Jeez ... where are your priorities, Nick?

shashank.aggarwal · Dec 25th, 2007, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Nick-H

I'm sure I don't have any answers; I'm sure if any of us could have saved the world, we would have done by now!!

So how do you expect us 'Arrogant youthful members' to have a solution and not follow whats the easiest thing to do ?

If normal hard work and intelligence leads to Americanization then let it be !! We cannot stop working and using our normal brains.

Nick-H · Dec 25th, 2007, 17:32

... home again.

My best guess is that education is the key. But one man's education is another man's propaganda, so even that is not, in its simplistic self, an answer.

For instance, I am shocked to hear (from the New Indian Expresse's T. George) that Indian school children are leaving school with the idea that the East India Company was good for India!* Those are the kids that will not critically assess USA's corporate drive as the next coloniser.

*oh dear... I think that's the third time I've mentioned that article.

Nick-H · Dec 25th, 2007, 17:36

Priorities... Peaceful family life, Dzibead!

Americanization is a cultural thing. I'm sure India will handle it just as it has handled every other culture that came.

American ownership, actual or effective, is something else, and many brains far clever than I do their best (and I have to confess I often do not understand much of the economics and politics) to point out the dangers of 'globalisation' --- America's euphemism for selling out to American interests.

atala · Dec 25th, 2007, 18:43

It seems to be every Indian family's desire to have at least one relative in America who sends back some dollars. Can't be blamed for that, even though the one family in America is torn apart in their hearts, with homesickness and cultural yearnings.

In India Americanization is happening thru devaluation of old values by commercializing every aspect of life. For Indians commerce is the air they breath. (shops everywhere

)

What has been so special about India is that Governance could not unify the social-cultural differentiations so far. What fascinates us Westerners, coming from unified, homogenized (thru Christianity, and the post-enlightenment social forces) civilizations, is the apparent chaos, the mix of uncountable differences in traditions lived in India.

India is the last "paradise" surviving on earth with traditions (knowledge-systems, world-interpretations, and lifestyle know-how) which resist to be infiltrated by invasive forces, normally enforced by governments. Some loss of authenticity is happening thru globalization and Coca Cola in every village, but at the core the Indian spirit of living deeper values is continuing to thrive.

Last year, India Today published a survey studying social change within India's youth. The over-all result showed that even the urbanized, modernized young are as tradition and family oriented as the young ever were in India. Outward change brings more awareness of what is there to lose in the inner quality of life.

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PeakXV Naan.tering Nabob Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Abode of Glooscap Posts: 4,040	Geez - couldn't live without a baseball cap when travelling India - didn't know there was so many anti-views over a headware that is an extremely effective tool in shading the head, nose & eyes in hot climates ..... certainly an improvement (and alot less scary looking ) over the old Raj pith helmut and much more enconomical than a Tilly Endurable - for sure. __________________ We shall not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started ...and know the place for the first time. T.S. Eliot Don't go to India ~ Pre-trip Warnings & Misconceptions?

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Dec 25th, 2007, 03:41	#32
vdvoort Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 78	OMG, some of you start to sound like your own parents (never thought you would, did you ;-)?). 'Your hair's too long, your skirts too short, you're lazy, study!, smoking hash??'; you'd come to no good, remember? And now look at you.... One time at a Punk concert a boy with this Mohawk haircut, looking more 'dangerous' than those Indian sunglass-and-baseball cap-wearing-mobile addicted-'gangsta' boys, dancing wildly, accidentally stepped on my foot; he turned to me, saying: I'm so, so sorry, did I hurt you? Times are changing, and not only for the worse. Relax and lighten up, there's still hope.... Enjoy!

Dec 25th, 2007, 11:02	#36
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 25,846	Good governance would be nice: both for India and America!

Dec 25th, 2007, 13:08	#40
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 25,846	Got to run out, christmas family stuff... just briefly... I'm sure I don't have any answers; I'm sure if any of us could have saved the world, we would have done by now!!

Dec 25th, 2007, 17:32	#43
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 25,846	... home again. My best guess is that education is the key. But one man's education is another man's propaganda, so even that is not, in its simplistic self, an answer. For instance, I am shocked to hear (from the New Indian Expresse's T. George) that Indian school children are leaving school with the idea that the East India Company was good for India!* Those are the kids that will not critically assess USA's corporate drive as the next coloniser. *oh dear... I think that's the third time I've mentioned that article.

Dec 25th, 2007, 17:36	#44
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 25,846	Priorities... Peaceful family life, Dzibead! Americanization is a cultural thing. I'm sure India will handle it just as it has handled every other culture that came. American ownership, actual or effective, is something else, and many brains far clever than I do their best (and I have to confess I often do not understand much of the economics and politics) to point out the dangers of 'globalisation' --- America's euphemism for selling out to American interests.

Dec 25th, 2007, 18:43	#45
atala Senior Member, 8 yrs in India Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Switzerland, just back from India 2008 Posts: 691	It seems to be every Indian family's desire to have at least one relative in America who sends back some dollars. Can't be blamed for that, even though the one family in America is torn apart in their hearts, with homesickness and cultural yearnings. In India Americanization is happening thru devaluation of old values by commercializing every aspect of life. For Indians commerce is the air they breath. (shops everywhere ) What has been so special about India is that Governance could not unify the social-cultural differentiations so far. What fascinates us Westerners, coming from unified, homogenized (thru Christianity, and the post-enlightenment social forces) civilizations, is the apparent chaos, the mix of uncountable differences in traditions lived in India. India is the last "paradise" surviving on earth with traditions (knowledge-systems, world-interpretations, and lifestyle know-how) which resist to be infiltrated by invasive forces, normally enforced by governments. Some loss of authenticity is happening thru globalization and Coca Cola in every village, but at the core the Indian spirit of living deeper values is continuing to thrive. Last year, India Today published a survey studying social change within India's youth. The over-all result showed that even the urbanized, modernized young are as tradition and family oriented as the young ever were in India. Outward change brings more awareness of what is there to lose in the inner quality of life.

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